Discuss us, the human race
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Posted by Lucas, 20.06.2006 - 14:39
So, let me explain the idea of this thread. You might have read some of my posts in the threads 'Over Population' & 'With or against cloning?'. If you did, you might have noticed me being real angry about our species.
My problem is, we are weak. We are stupid. Some might argue me saying that mankind has survived for the last few 1000 years, because we are so smart that we can solve our problems and think of solutions. I always think, what problem do we have actually solved, without creating 10 others?
We can cure many diseases. Yes, we can cure a few. But my question is, is that a good thing? Why are we running for death, whilst we have no idea (or at least can't agree) of what death actually is. I'm not saying we should all die at once, to find out, but I do think we should stop the fucking running. Why not accept our time of going, when it has come.
As said, in the 'Cloning' thread it was said that we are making progress. Sure we are. We have succesfully cloned a sheep, and in the near future we will probably be able to clone humans or grow bodyparts and we can use those to replace our own. I can't help to imagine us as Frankenstein's, with all different sorts off legs and stuff. Anyway, do you think this is good? My main arguement is that I believe we should follow the course of Nature, and therefore we should live as animals etc. So NO cloning for me. Yes, we will save lives with it, and call me heartless, but I still don't agree with it.
I think we are drifting further and further away from our course, the path we should take. If my world would become reality, we would all be placed back into prehistory and would just live and hunt. If my opinion, that is enough. All our machines that do the hard work for us, leaving us with more time for other things have made us decadent. We now need to philosophize about if there is a God, what road we should take and stuff like that. (Yes, I do see the irony)
So basically, do what the title says: Discuss us, the humanrace. I probably will meet some of you who disagree with me, but I'd be happy if we can discuss that.
I'm always in for a good discussion.PS: If anyone dares to say that we are discussion this through the internet, and thus through one of the main mistakes of mankind, wanting to be connected, I'm going to slap you.
I do see the irony in this, of course, and I know this may sound all a bit hypocritical because I am philosophizing too right now, but I've accepted that. I know that I cannot live up to my ideals, because they represent something I think we can never turn back too. But whatever, discuss!
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| villain Posts: 238  |
Written by Dane Train on 22.10.2007 at 00:20 You haven't thought enough. A plague spreads quickly and destroy many lives. I think with the advent of medical science, and other technology humanity has become a kind of virus. People whether diseases, disabled or whatever live longer and pollute the environment etc (you know all that stuff dont you?) Humanity can be called a dangerous strain of virus because it is so capable. It is capable of destroying the whole world. You have to accept it, the earth has become gravely ill.
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| villain Posts: 238 |
Written by b0000mst1ck on 22.10.2007 at 07:47 DOn't take it literally, we are smart enough to realize that we will perish if we continue to plague this planet. But I think whatever we have done to preserve it is tiny compared to what we have done it destry it.
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| Dane Train Beers & Kilts Elite Posts: 8902  |
Written by villain on 24.10.2007 at 19:37 Two quick points. First: I have thought plenty about it. These sorts of issues are what I deal with in my career. So just because I may disagree with you does not mean I have not thought about it. Second: How do people who are ill destroy the earth by living longer?
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| b0000mst1ck Posts: 547  |
Written by villain on 24.10.2007 at 19:43 well, hopefully this whole "going green" thing is a realization that we WILL destroy this planet if we don't change our ways. and yeah, i agree with you 100% when you say we've done more harm than good. but at the same time i still don't consider us to be a virus or "plague". we have the ability to correct and change our ways, unlike any other virus that exists.
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Written by Dane Train on 24.10.2007 at 21:07 again, think becasue I don't think you are. Oh well, I said don't take it literally. Just get the idea of human race plaguing the planet. A lot of people who should have been dead are living becasue of medical sciences. Don't you think it is a reason for population increase along with the high birth rate ? THen, what happens when population increases ?
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| b0000mst1ck Posts: 547 |
Written by villain on 25.10.2007 at 17:51 ecumenopolis (a continuous worlwide city) will happen. but you're talking hundreds of years into the future.
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Written by [user id=13894] on 07.11.2007 at 19:33 well, i think it all comes down to the person, he might have a mental disorder, or bad experiences with the school, but in the end, it is still stupid to do all that shit we should not judge the rest of the human race on this one incident though, or on a couple of people
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| Too many fail. Posts: 533  |
I love the fact how the media has to include the description " he was wearing black clothes" when describing his apple shooting video. Why is it that they always have to mention the fucking black clothes who gives a shit. Anyhow I can understand the guys frustration and dislike for the bulk of humanity as most people are idiots, but highschool shootings are a pathetic way to settle your frustrations, deal with the world like the rest of us.
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| b0000mst1ck Posts: 547 |
i bet he plays first-person shooters while listening to marilyn manson. 
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| Øyvind Grave Digger Posts: 671  |
Written by [user id=13894] on 07.11.2007 at 19:33 The thing died. And, weird thing, he liked Hitler AND Stalin. It's as if he listened to reggae while being a member of a White Power organization. Git. And why do people do it? Ask the Columbine people, they'll know. Serious, now, every now and then someone snaps. All that stuff in the USA, then the Hungerford massacre in the UK, and they always say it was a quiet boy from the neighbourhood who went berserk, cause unknown. BUT, a quiet boy who's into guns and has a bit abnormal relationship with his mother (Hungerford). The problem is, some people are born nutters, and it depends on many different things whether they'll snap or not. Many will say I'm wrong, but all those massacres could've been prevented if someone said: Hey, kid, no more sugar for you, if you know what I mean. Bottom line is, it's in some people's nature, psychopatic brain and other stuff.
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Account deleted Written by b0000mst1ck on 08.11.2007 at 11:37 Don't they all do that (or similar)? It wouldn't surprise me the least, in this person's case, to be honest
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| Lucas Mr. Noise Elite Posts: 13427  |
Written by Øyvind on 08.11.2007 at 11:51 Not so weird at all. He was a misanthrope and Hitler and Stalin both killed an immense amount of people.
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Written by Lucas on 08.11.2007 at 12:06 True, but they killed in the name of different things, and using different methods. I reckon he didn't like the dictators and their ideology, just their killing. Which says a lot.
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Written by [user id=12867] on 08.11.2007 at 11:51 yeah, everytime something like that happens in the states the whole "video games/shock rock" topic comes up. it's pathetic, really. if that were true i'm sure there'd be a LOT more shootings.
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Written by b0000mst1ck on 08.11.2007 at 11:37 He actually predicted the media going for that retarded shit again and explicitly stated in his suicide not not to blame any media or his relatives and friends for what he did. He claimed full personal responsbility. Surely some stupid shit will come up though...
---- Here is my actual theory beyond the huge, hilarious jokes I have: If you're so pro-life and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, that's very unwanted and very alone and needs someone to take care of it. - Bill Hicks
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Written by Too many fail. on 08.11.2007 at 21:12 i'm sure. i bet the police find a controversial book or something along that line that millions of people own and use that as an excuse to why he did it. they always do.
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Written by b0000mst1ck on 08.11.2007 at 23:55 While im sure some evening talk shows with middle aged women bored with their lives will find some bullshit from the case and use it to criticize the moral depravity of modern entertainment, i dont think it will go much further than that. Remember that this did not hapen in America  There will probably be some fuzz caused over the antidepressants he was taking, the columbine kids were apparently on the same medication and it allegedly causes violent behaviour, the med companys money will surely find its way into the right pockets before anything drastic happens though 
---- Here is my actual theory beyond the huge, hilarious jokes I have: If you're so pro-life and you're so pro-child, then adopt one that's already here, that's very unwanted and very alone and needs someone to take care of it. - Bill Hicks
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| Stalker Lone wanderer Posts: 2705  |
I strongly disagree with such violent acts, but I think that the boy wasnt crazy. It doesnt mean that everyone who killed someone has some mental disability. OK, what he believed to, probably isnt right, but that doesnt mean he was crazy. Its more like, some people would feel guilty, others wont, and the question, is it worth to give your life for such a thing. Many of us are surrounded with idiots every day, but not all of would do something that radical... Anyway, I feel sorry for the innocent victims, and their families, thats the biggest shit in the whole story... 
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| Sunioj Posts: 3894  |
The twat also shot kids that no connection to him in any way. Kids from younger grades too....
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| b0000mst1ck Posts: 547 |
Written by Too many fail. on 09.11.2007 at 00:00 yeah, good point. i don't know enough about how the media in that country to continue this discussion, but i can say that it's tragic no matter the circumstances. it always is...:-[
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| Lucas Mr. Noise Elite Posts: 13427 |
Written by Too many fail. on 09.11.2007 at 00:00 From what I know about anti-depressants, they only cause violent behaviour in the first couple of weeks.
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Written by Lucas on 09.11.2007 at 21:11 with some people anti-depressants can cause repetitive violent behavior over the course of years, sometimes frequent, sometimes not. it just depends on the person, their condition, and the medication/amount they're taking.
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| Paganblood The Aryaputra Posts: 1194  |
Written by Dane Train on 24.10.2007 at 21:07 To express my opinion in short, 'people who are ill destroy the earth by living longer' by utilizing those resources to survive, which could have produced a 100 healthy(mentally/physically) people. And those ill people, even after surviving will be nothing but a burden to the world, but if such healthy people were to be produced, they'd certainly be able to think creatively/broadly, and hopefully would learn to live in harmony with nature. when I say 'ill' I refer to those who are always ill and can do nothing more than crying in pain, and not to those people who fall ill although not frequently. Also, if we look through the eyes of a human, we may see nothing wrong with human activities, but if we see through the eyes of an animal, we may be viruses. Of course many people live close to nature and do their best to conserve it(and such people deserve respect), but as we say in vector 'the resultant is inclined towards the greater force if two forces act on a body', the 'resultant' of human activities is inclined towards 'sickening' nature. Man can not defeat nature, or the universe nor do any harm to it, but man will get disintegrate into the elements if he does not live in harmony with nature. but again I do not think that it is necessary to give ourselves a headache thinking what humans have done.. Nature knows when the end of any particular thing has to come, time will destroy earth, sun and the life it supported and new life will arise in some other part of universe... that's my opinion.
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| villain Posts: 238 |
Thanks for the explanation Pollution caused by Humans started in the Paleolithic age when humans started using fire. The level of pollution had been slowly increasing till the industrial boom which opened the floodgates. Human race, with all its acheivement, seems to have forgotten its roots - we are dependent upon this earthand without it we wouldnt exist. . Even if we find a way to inhabit other planets, no other planet will be as beautiful and hospitable as the earth.
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| Paganblood The Aryaputra Posts: 1194 |
Written by villain on 06.01.2008 at 07:13 Yes, the artificial world we live in.. this city kathmandu is hell.. this week I dreamt twice, roaming around alone in the hilly and mountainous landscapes... there my heart lies.. moreover when I look at the filthy politics of our country I realize that all this nonsense is being done to save the weak! don't you think so? because those fucked up janajaatis and 'marginalized ones' would have progressed a 1000 years back if they had any potentiality, don't you think? It makes me sad and angry to see our own national flag being burned by them proudly in our own land.. Its relation to this thread is that nowadays most problem(esp. here) are arising just because of the weak. EDIT: to add something more to 'weak people destroy......', thought is transmitted in form of waves(subtler than the electromagnetic waves) and aura is created around each person according to their thought, so the aura around the weak tends to weaken other people as well... just as you feel happy while sitting with people who are happy and depressed while with the depressed ones..
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| villain Posts: 238 |
haha HUman race is set to destroy the earth by fighting within itself. THe diversity within human race is a curse for small nations. And when there is diversity, there is inequality and people try to eliminate these inequalities which leads to chaos. I think we ought to realize the difference between communities and instead of trying to achieve this multicultural bullcrap, must try to develope a community based on its characteristics. I don't get the point of artificially creating 'equality' when people are naturally unequal and different.
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