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Mangini had some big shoes to feel, since Portnoy is one of the best drummers of all time. Not only that, but he was surrounded by:
- John Myung, one of the best bassists of all time
- John Petrucci, one of the best guitarists of all time
- Jordan Rudess, one of the best keyboardists of all time
- James LaBrie
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05.03.2019 - 22:56Rating: 7
Written by RaduP on 05.03.2019 at 19:55
Mangini had some big shoes to feel, since Portnoy is one of the best drummers of all time. Not only that, but he was surrounded by:
- James LaBrie
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John_Doe
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05.03.2019 - 23:04Rating: 8
"the technicality is utilized more tastefully than at times in previous years, and the band is also willing to show restraint in service to the song".
very good point, it's what makes this album worth listening to. They haven't done that in quite some time.
good review!
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06.03.2019 - 01:02Rating: 9
ItocTrønderPosts: 71
Written by RaduP on 05.03.2019 at 19:55
Mangini had some big shoes to feel, since Portnoy is one of the best drummers of all time. Not only that, but he was surrounded by:
- John Myung, one of the best bassists of all time
- John Petrucci, one of the best guitarists of all time
- Jordan Rudess, one of the best keyboardists of all time
- James LaBrie
Who is the vocalist again? Oh never mind, Portnoy left the band right...
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mikeprado30
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06.03.2019 - 03:46Rating: 10
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
The Astonishing in my case (and so many other ones more) was another great album released by DT. If that wasn't for so many tr00 kvlt tastes around here is just another thread.
Mangini should not be understimated. Just remember his work on Annihilator and also the nice LaBrie albums.
And talking about LaBrie, I always consider so unfair how people thinks towards him. On some way or another, he's another one of the key elements for what DT is. I could not imagine this band without him (yes, surely anybody would say anything like "remember Dominici album" or "well, same thought about Portnoy and you see" but those are not excuses for the trendy attitude against him).
Even when I don't feel they will release anything better than Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence (my favorite album from them and one of my favorite albums ever), I surely will always like their musical works.
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Starvynth i c deaf people StaffPosts: 3259 |
Written by mikeprado30 on 06.03.2019 at 03:46
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
I really don't get your point. I think this is a very open-minded, fair and nonbiased but factual review.
Even if you happen to disagree with some of its statements, after all the bold 7.6 indicates the reviewer's overall impression: more than decent and on the edge of 'very good'.
Obviously, you are a long-time and die-hard fan of the band - and that's just fine.
But your personal ratings (grading every single DT album at least 9/10) do imply that you might have lost your unbiased view quite a while ago.
I can't actually believe that 'excellence' and 'perfection' are the single two characteristics of Dream Theater's 34 years of existence - in particular, taking into consideration that The Astonishing was an undeniable part of their history.
No offence, but please keep in mind that prejudices and stereotypes are lurking at the other end of the scale (your scale), too.
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nikarg StaffPosts: 7523 |
This is a very good review man. "At Wit's End" is indeed nothing less than divine, it shows you what DT are capable of and no other song comes even close. Most of the rest of the album is quite enjoyable and definitely much better than its predecessor.
And btw I like LaBrie, I wouldn't want or imagine DT without him.
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Written by nikarg on 06.03.2019 at 13:20
And btw I like LaBrie, I wouldn't want or imagine DT without him.
We have Liquid Tension Experiment for that. Which should really come back.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6120 |
06.03.2019 - 19:45Rating: 7
Written by mikeprado30 on 06.03.2019 at 03:46
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
An opinion that's different from your own fanboy opinion is not prejudice. It's just a different opinion. If someone likes DT less than you, it's not prejudice. Do you get that? Or are YOU prejudiced?
(You're a fanboy, because you rated ALL Dream Theater albums with either 10 or 9.)
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Mariocalin
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06.03.2019 - 21:59Rating: 8
Although there are some parts I disagree, I really like this review.
I think this is the reality now for Dream Theater. They've been doing music since 86 and It's almost impossible to get to the right point in every album they make, but I think this album feels more "packed" than DT13, The Astonishing or ADTOE. Even though I find some lacking of connection between some parts of he same song (Barstool Warrior are 2 songs in one with a really poor connection between the parts), songs like S2N or Barstool Warrior are really great great songs in DT's collection.
About drums, I dont like Mangini's drums so much. I feel like they are the same over and over again. May be I'm used to Portnoy's drumming style but I feel like drums are just "passing by".
To be honest I have no complains about James' vocals. They are not that good but he has been doing his maximun effort keeping his voice the best way he can, given his circunstances. At this stage of Dream Theater's carrer there is no sense in saying that "Labrie is off", you know that he's not the best since so many years ago but its really a unique voice and give DT his stamp.
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musclassia StaffPosts: 7820 |
06.03.2019 - 22:23Rating: 7
Written by Mariocalin on 06.03.2019 at 21:59
To be honest I have no complains about James' vocals. They are not that good but he has been doing his maximun effort keeping his voice the best way he can, given his circunstances. At this stage of Dream Theater's carrer there is no sense in saying that "Labrie is off", you know that he's not the best since so many years ago but its really a unique voice and give DT his stamp.
True, he does definitely put the effort into trying to preserve it, and also playing to his strengths. I think that's kinda emphasized with the bonus track "Viper King", where I feel like he's a bit out of his element in the chorus at times. Sticking to that lower register plays to his strengths, but at the same time it does limit his range quite a bit.
If I'm honest, I'm not really sure I have an opinion on Mangini's drumming. I listened to this album a fair few times preparing for this review, as well as the last couple before The Astonishing (I couldn't withstand more than one re-listen of that one), and I don't think there was really a time where I found myself focusing on the drums. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing (I don't have any strong allegiance to Portnoy, and haven't really liked anything he's done outside of DT), it's just my listeneing experience.
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Written by Starvynth on 06.03.2019 at 12:49
Written by mikeprado30 on 06.03.2019 at 03:46
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
I really don't get your point. I think this is a very open-minded, fair and nonbiased but factual review.
Even if you happen to disagree with some of its statements, after all the bold 7.6 indicates the reviewer's overall impression: more than decent and on the edge of 'very good'.
Obviously, you are a long-time and die-hard fan of the band - and that's just fine.
But your personal ratings (grading every single DT album at least 9/10) do imply that you might have lost your unbiased view quite a while ago.
I can't actually believe that 'excellence' and 'perfection' are the single two characteristics of Dream Theater's 34 years of existence - in particular, taking into consideration that The Astonishing was an undeniable part of their history.
No offence, but please keep in mind that prejudices and stereotypes are lurking at the other end of the scale (your scale), too.
He also said that the last Rhapsody album was great, so there is that...
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Mariocalin
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07.03.2019 - 10:13Rating: 8
Written by musclassia on 06.03.2019 at 22:23
Written by Mariocalin on 06.03.2019 at 21:59
To be honest I have no complains about James' vocals. They are not that good but he has been doing his maximun effort keeping his voice the best way he can, given his circunstances. At this stage of Dream Theater's carrer there is no sense in saying that "Labrie is off", you know that he's not the best since so many years ago but its really a unique voice and give DT his stamp.
True, he does definitely put the effort into trying to preserve it, and also playing to his strengths. I think that's kinda emphasized with the bonus track "Viper King", where I feel like he's a bit out of his element in the chorus at times. Sticking to that lower register plays to his strengths, but at the same time it does limit his range quite a bit.
If I'm honest, I'm not really sure I have an opinion on Mangini's drumming. I listened to this album a fair few times preparing for this review, as well as the last couple before The Astonishing (I couldn't withstand more than one re-listen of that one), and I don't think there was really a time where I found myself focusing on the drums. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing (I don't have any strong allegiance to Portnoy, and haven't really liked anything he's done outside of DT), it's just my listeneing experience.
Actually I do not like anything that Portnoy has done since he left DT. He has lowered the bar with his drum style and he just seems ok with that. Knowing who he has been with DT or Liquid Tension Experiment I find it a little bit sad.
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07.03.2019 - 19:06Rating: 9
Best Dream Theater CD in over 10 years, since "Black Clouds & Silver Linings". I have to say i´ve enjoyed it a lot. Really powerfull and fast riffs, spectacular melodies, solos, really good vocals (James Labrie back in shape). Best drum work from Mangini in DT, aswell. This álbum took me back in time, to the best DT períod. Im really glad this band is back and they still got it! "Best tracks for me are: "Untethered Angel", "Fall Into the Light", "Barstool Warrior", "S2N", "At Wit´s End" "Out of Reach" and "Pale Blue Dot"
Amazing work, congratulations.
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mikeprado30
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08.03.2019 - 04:06Rating: 10
Written by D88M3R on 07.03.2019 at 09:41
Written by Starvynth on 06.03.2019 at 12:49
Written by mikeprado30 on 06.03.2019 at 03:46
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
I really don't get your point. I think this is a very open-minded, fair and nonbiased but factual review.
Even if you happen to disagree with some of its statements, after all the bold 7.6 indicates the reviewer's overall impression: more than decent and on the edge of 'very good'.
Obviously, you are a long-time and die-hard fan of the band - and that's just fine.
But your personal ratings (grading every single DT album at least 9/10) do imply that you might have lost your unbiased view quite a while ago.
I can't actually believe that 'excellence' and 'perfection' are the single two characteristics of Dream Theater's 34 years of existence - in particular, taking into consideration that The Astonishing was an undeniable part of their history.
No offence, but please keep in mind that prejudices and stereotypes are lurking at the other end of the scale (your scale), too.
He also said that the last Rhapsody album was great, so there is that...
Well, there's anything bad about that? Jeez, now if someone says something positive about those bands known by the tr00 palz around here as "overvalued acts", that point of view is undervalued...
Well, it seems that if I want my viewpoint getting a little of seriousness then I'll have to criticize bitterly every release nowadays done for those bands and just listening under-underground acts
Those are some of the reasons about what I can't understand the average metalhead nowadays. My brother's former boss says: "nowadays metaleads just live to criticize music, but rockers back on my days just ENJOYED the music".
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mikeprado30
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08.03.2019 - 04:12Rating: 10
Written by Daniell on 06.03.2019 at 19:45
Written by mikeprado30 on 06.03.2019 at 03:46
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
An opinion that's different from your own fanboy opinion is not prejudice. It's just a different opinion. If someone likes DT less than you, it's not prejudice. Do you get that? Or are YOU prejudiced?
(You're a fanboy, because you rated ALL Dream Theater albums with either 10 or 9.)
Well, in my view mainly seems to be a prejudice, because I don't believe there's little effort or lacking of ability on every release done by them. And always is the same complain about the same things. LaBrie for supposed "lack of talent", The Astonishing just not being "too metal" for the people.
And thanks for the fanboy label. I'm not guilty this band gets me satisfied with every song done from them, not matter which album would be. And those ratings are very deserved for the impact those albums had on my life.
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Written by mikeprado30 on 08.03.2019 at 04:06
Written by D88M3R on 07.03.2019 at 09:41
Written by Starvynth on 06.03.2019 at 12:49
Written by mikeprado30 on 06.03.2019 at 03:46
So many prejudices on the review and the comments... As usual about this band.
I really don't get your point. I think this is a very open-minded, fair and nonbiased but factual review.
Even if you happen to disagree with some of its statements, after all the bold 7.6 indicates the reviewer's overall impression: more than decent and on the edge of 'very good'.
Obviously, you are a long-time and die-hard fan of the band - and that's just fine.
But your personal ratings (grading every single DT album at least 9/10) do imply that you might have lost your unbiased view quite a while ago.
I can't actually believe that 'excellence' and 'perfection' are the single two characteristics of Dream Theater's 34 years of existence - in particular, taking into consideration that The Astonishing was an undeniable part of their history.
No offence, but please keep in mind that prejudices and stereotypes are lurking at the other end of the scale (your scale), too.
He also said that the last Rhapsody album was great, so there is that...
Well, there's anything bad about that? Jeez, now if someone says something positive about those bands known by the tr00 palz around here as "overvalued acts", that point of view is undervalued...
Well, it seems that if I want my viewpoint getting a little of seriousness then I'll have to criticize bitterly every release nowadays done for those bands and just listening under-underground acts
Those are some of the reasons about what I can't understand the average metalhead nowadays. My brother's former boss says: "nowadays metaleads just live to criticize music, but rockers back on my days just ENJOYED the music".
Nothing wrong about that, enjoy whatever you want and i am no one to judge, is just that if you say that a mediocre album is great, is hard to take your taste seriously, nothing personal, but i have seen a lot of a** kissing for The Eight Mountain since it was released, and is an a** kissing it certainly is far from earned because the album ranges from mediocre to decent. No idea about the DT album.
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10.03.2019 - 21:01Rating: 10
This is by far the best Metal album I have heard for the past 10 years or so, and believe me I heard a lot of shit
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6120 |
15.03.2019 - 16:21Rating: 7
Written by Ahmed Mohamed A on 10.03.2019 at 21:01
This is by far the best Metal album I have heard for the past 10 years or so, and believe me I heard a lot of shit
Do you realize how ambiguous the last part of your post is?
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Zap
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Starting listening to this album on a whim, having read next to nothing about it and I must say I'm pleasantly surprised. I might actually finish it in one go.
Written by RaduP on 05.03.2019 at 19:55
Mangini had some big shoes to feel, since Portnoy is one of the best drummers of all time. Not only that, but he was surrounded by:
- John Myung, one of the best bassists of all time
- John Petrucci, one of the best guitarists of all time
- Jordan Rudess, one of the best keyboardists of all time
- James LaBrie
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