Ilham Giant robot
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Just to clarify, I was just talking about the definition of "classic". "Overrated" and "classic" are two words that get thrown around to easily in my opinion.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 30.08.2014 at 17:29
Just because something is influential doesn't mean it's good.
Sure, but I'm just saying, whether it's good or not, give credit where credit is due. I find Metallica to be terribly overrated, and albums like Master Of Puppets and And Justice For All to be incredibly weak compared to some others released around the same time, but I'm not about to deny how they served as important stepping stones in the evolution of metal as a whole.
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Written by deadone on 01.09.2014 at 03:01 "Good" is a subjective concept.
Influential albums are influential because they did something new and people liked this "new thing". If an album is absolute garbage without any appeal whatsoever, it won't be influential regardless of how innovative it is.
I never said it wasn't.
But just because people might like a thing still doesn't mean they think it's good. Sometimes what's unappealing and off-putting is what people draw influence from.
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Approached this with an open mind. It did great things for me...and my LIFE actually. I know now that there are people crazier than myself out there. And they are abundant! Thank you!
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Written by deadone on 01.09.2014 at 04:20
Written by Troy Killjoy on 01.09.2014 at 03:07
But just because people might like a thing still doesn't mean they think it's good.
Liking something means it's good for the person that likes it.
I know that half of what I listen to is - various degrees of - shit. People call that "guilty pleasures" usually.
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I like things that aren't good, especially movies. I love bad movies.
I don't think they're good just because I like them. The same applies to music.
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Written by deadone on 01.09.2014 at 04:46
Dunno. You still like it, so it clearly has appeal (something good). Guilty pleasure seems to imply placing a value on your own opinion because that opniion doesn't correlate to some other views. And indeed people often refer to "guilty pleasures" to stuff that's not in their usual habits (e.g. "I'm into Black Metal exclusively but J-Pop is a guilty pleasure"). That still doesn't negate the enjoyment from the good elements of the so-called "guilty pleasure".
I'd say everything I like is good. It's good to me.
It really has nothing to do with what other people think about it. I just know it's bad. In almost every aspect of it, a lot of the music I listen to is bad, just that. I can make a difference between the level of enjoyment I get from something and its actual value/quality.
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Written by Ilham on 01.09.2014 at 05:10
It really has nothing to do with what other people think about it. I just know it's bad. In almost every aspect of it, a lot of the music I listen to is bad, just that. I can make a difference between the level of enjoyment I get from something and its actual value/quality.
Yeah it's really such a simple concept, I'm surprised some people have issues understanding it. Good is not always equal to quality, and often a person can recognise something as being good without necessarily enjoying it. I think some people don't like the idea that another person's opinion may carry more weight in terms of how valid it is because they demonstrate an understanding of what it is they are or are not enjoying / critiquing, so in order to combat this they refuse to acknowledge it on an informed level and entirely pass it off as purely subconscious and instinctive preferences. I really don't think this is the case when you have a firm understanding of what you're listening to, watching etc. There are conscious, objective observations drawn from experience in every "subjective" opinion, and that's how we measure the differences between valid opinion and not so much valid, in my opinion (and how a person enjoys something bad etc.)
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Thank you for developing that simple idea and what I couldn't express in my own words.
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Oh hey a tl;dr discussion. what did I miss?
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Written by [user id=142921] on 03.09.2014 at 03:45
"it's so bad it's good".
More like "It's so good, it's bad."
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Written by [user id=101272] on 03.09.2014 at 05:10
Written by [user id=142921] on 03.09.2014 at 03:45
"it's so bad it's good".
More like "It's so good, it's bad."
Check your IQ level before making silly comments.
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Written by Reality03 on 02.09.2014 at 20:11
Lol, whats the point of this list? All of these belong to the most influential metal bands. So you dont like them because they were important?
No point.
I am not talking about how influential and important those bands are.
Are you lost ?
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Written by Dr. Strawberry on 03.09.2014 at 20:37
Check your IQ level before making silly comments.
You're right, I probably should. I think it's lowered a couple points since I've first read this list.
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Written by Reality03 on 03.09.2014 at 21:33
No. I just dont understand how you can throw in every 80s Maiden album f.e.and call it "overrated". You might not like them, thats fine, im not a huge fan either, but i wouldnt call them overrated, seeing as how many bands are influenced by them. Same with Black sabbath etc..
You don't understand and confused because I am not talking about how influential and important those bands are. You have to refer to the header and check out the definition of "overrated"
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Iron Maiden have to credit Eddie and those cover art graphic designers for their success.
Their quality of music has been very average to me, especially blending progressive elements in heavy metal turned me off.
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Written by Dr. Strawberry on 04.09.2014 at 10:47
Iron Maiden have to credit Eddie and those cover art graphic designers for their success.
Their quality of music has been very average to me, especially blending progressive elements in heavy metal turned me off.
no disrespect but this comment gave me cancer.
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Written by Dr. Strawberry on 04.09.2014 at 10:47
Iron Maiden have to credit Eddie and those cover art graphic designers for their success.
Lol! I will remember that comment
BTW this list is quite hilarious because you are just showing us that you have terrible taste in music. No offence of course, people can hate Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath or Death but em... what are you doing here on Metalstorm if you hate so many classic metal bands? I think you should also make a list of your favourite albums then.
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Written by Dr. Strawberry on 04.09.2014 at 10:47
Iron Maiden have to credit Eddie and those cover art graphic designers for their success.
Yes, and all of Metallica's success came from Jason Newsted's incredible bass performance on ...And Justice For All.
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Written by Hex_Omega on 04.09.2014 at 21:07
BTW this list is quite hilarious because you are just showing us that you have terrible taste in music. No offence of course, people can hate Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath or Death but em... what are you doing here on Metalstorm if you hate so many classic metal bands? I think you should also make a list of your favourite albums then.
You of all people should know there's far more to metal than "just" classic heavy or thrash metal bands. I almost like none of those bands/albums either and there's lots of stuff I do enjoy (as you probably know). So your comment is nonsense, sorry. However, I wouldn't bother to actually rate so many albums I dislike, as I simply don't like to listen to music that I don't like (which most of the time I know beforehand). Another difference between me and the list creator is that he actually admitted to like some albums by those bands and hates the ones he put on this list. Well, fine by me if he hates them, but seeing as the general consensus is that most of these albums are great/classic/influential etc., I'd rather go with the general consensus than with the opinion of one guy who simply enjoys to bash albums that a lot of people love.
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Written by Erik M. on 04.09.2014 at 22:21
You of all people should know there's far more to metal than "just" classic heavy or thrash metal bands. I almost like none of those bands/albums either and there's lots of stuff I do enjoy (as you probably know). So your comment is nonsense, sorry.
Ok but you did not made a list like this one. I could make a list of 'Power Metal bands that I hate' but I don't see a point of making such list...
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Written by Hex_Omega on 04.09.2014 at 22:33
Ok but you did not made a list like this one. I could make a list of 'Power Metal bands that I hate' but I don't see a point of making such list...
Yeah, he just wants to show everyone that he disagrees with the general consensus regarding these albums, which indeed seems a bit pointless. Sometimes I like to bash popular albums are well when I dislike them, but creating a list goes a bit too far.
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Written by Erik M. on 04.09.2014 at 22:40
Sometimes I like to bash popular albums are well when I dislike them, but creating a list goes a bit too far.
And this was the general point of my first comment. Btw you don't like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath? How dare you
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Written by [user id=114127] on 04.09.2014 at 16:17
Written by Dr. Strawberry on 04.09.2014 at 10:47
Iron Maiden have to credit Eddie and those cover art graphic designers for their success.
Their quality of music has been very average to me, especially blending progressive elements in heavy metal turned me off.
no disrespect but this comment gave me cancer.
Yeah...It's among the dumber comments I've seen. Granted, I think the good branding and imaging of Iron Maiden does play into their success a fair amount, but chalking up a successful 40 year career entirely to a mascot is just...wrong.
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1) All albums listed are considered OVERRATED in my personal point of view.
Well, your personal view is a bit warped, I think. A good chunk of these albums should be held in more esteem based on just how influential they are.
Hell, I don't even like a good portion of the albums on this list (I'm definitely more into modern stuff), but I can't deny their importance. I'd acknowledge that most of, if not all of my favourite bands wouldn't exist without them...Same goes for anyone's favourite bands I think.
Also, God Buster is more or less a revisionist (as Marcel would say), and probably shouldn't be taken seriously. His other awful list is pretty indicative of that.
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Written by Hex_Omega on 04.09.2014 at 22:45
And this was the general point of my first comment. Btw you don't like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath? How dare you
True enough then. Haven't checked out much by those bands, but from what I've heard I can't say I like them, no. Heavy metal is actually a genre that I really don't care for at all. Thrash I enjoy a lot more, every now and then.
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Written by Doc G. on 04.09.2014 at 22:47
Hell, I don't even like a good portion of the albums on this list (I'm definitely more into modern stuff), but I can't deny their importance. I'd acknowledge that most of, if not all of my favourite bands wouldn't exist without them...Same goes for anyone's favourite bands I think.
Yeah, this is pretty much true for me as well. Denying their importance would be ignorant and stupid, but I don't have to like them.
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Written by Hex_Omega on 04.09.2014 at 22:52
You should check out early heavy metal albums from '70. Give them a chance
Whoa there. Everything before the 90's is already "old" for me, let alone 70's. I did like King Crimson's debut, but not enough to actually listen to it more than once. Pretty much everything I like and listen to is from the last 20-25 years or so.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 24.08.2014 at 20:33
I'm pretty sure it's just a list of albums he doesn't like as much as the rest of the people on MS according to the ratings.
Isn't that what everyone's view of "overrated" is? When you don't like something as much as the majority?
I'd disagree. I think you can still recognize importance/quality without having to enjoy it personally. I think the term "overrated" implies that the praise from the majority isn't justified by anything more than the sheeple mentality and sensationalism.
Like, in the context of the topic/list at hand - I really don't like Death. Never clicked with me. However, I know how important they are to the bigger picture, and I can understand why people like them, but they do nothing for me. I've heard many of my favourite bands (in interviews) list Death albums as really influential for them. While my personal tastes may put those albums at a 6 or so, I'm not going to out and out say they don't deserve the recognition they get.
With that in mind, I was going to chalk the banality of this list up to a language breakdown, but his other list indicates the contrary.
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Written by Erik M. on 04.09.2014 at 22:56
Written by Hex_Omega on 04.09.2014 at 22:52
You should check out early heavy metal albums from '70. Give them a chance
Whoa there. Everything before the 90's is already "old" for me, let alone 70's. I did like King Crimson's debut, but not enough to actually listen to it more than once. Pretty much everything I like and listen to is from the last 20-25 years or so.
Hah ok... Maybe some day you will be curious enough to check the 70's out.
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