I'm not a Wintersun fan (but I might pick up their first album when I see it for ?5 or less), but I love reading this topic.

Also a funny thing: I noticed people acting all pretentious and such about this album. But if the music is so deep, why do so many people rate it 10 as soon as they are able to? Ah well, maybe those people are just way more intelligent than I am

Written by Vasil de Shumen on 20.10.2012 at 18:09

40% Blind Guardian + 40% Rhapsody + 20% symphonic metal standards = BOREDOM

I would actually dig that.

Written by Ahmed Mohamed A on 20.10.2012 at 21:48

The only people who complains about this album are just jealous fanboys who are pissed that their favorite band isn't ranked first in charts!

If there's one thing I've learned from the charts on this website, it would be that it makes people behave like morons like voting down albums that threaten albums they like. People tend to take that list too seriously. And you don't seem to be so careless about it either...

Just tryd it I was expected it to be like this, I dont remeber 1th album so well, I listened it beck in those days , but this was OK,

Absolutley loved the album Jari's clean vocals are so much better than on wintersun, shame they didnt adopt the heavier approach i was looking forward too. However they've done an awesome job nonetheless the album grew on me so much especially Sons of Snow and Stars
loved it

Written by Dave FC on 20.10.2012 at 20:09

Crimson is much more elaborated music than this. And where could we find a song that is not repeated at least two, three or four times? 98% of the songs are built this way. intro, verse, bridge, chorus, verse, chorus.... bla bla. Mix it thosand ways and you build a song

Written by [user id=4365] on 20.10.2012 at 20:43

Yes but Crimson I is an unmitigated masterpiece, whereas this is mush and fluff at best

Written by Nightfall on 20.10.2012 at 21:24

You must be deaf.

I didn't talk about the music itself but more about the reactions like "oh there are only 40 minutes", "oh there are only 5 tracks", "oh there are only 3 songs",... I don't understand these kind of comments.

Written by Dinruth on 20.10.2012 at 18:54

I don't understand that so many people claim that there are only three songs .. why? just because the other two are instrumental? do none of you appreciate classical or baroque music? almost everything from that epoque is instrumental..

Well, I do understand. When I was about to headbang, the album ended! Now seriously, doesn't this album give you a sensation of incomplete, like, making you want more of this stuff? Unlike KOTSK pt1 or 2 from Helloween, this is VEEEERY incomplete to me. Oh yeah, I DID like the instrumental parts (When Time Fades Away became one of my favs).

Epic-folk metal this is I think. Nice album with soft instruments sound

Written by Sojgenske on 21.10.2012 at 13:21


I didn't talk about the music itself but more about the reactions like "oh there are only 40 minutes", "oh there are only 5 tracks", "oh there are only 3 songs",... I don't understand these kind of comments.

Well a lot of people here judge albums based on the whole experience of it, length usually isn't that big a factor, though sometimes it can lose and album a point or so. Personally I don't really car, but I can see where these people come from.


It's like paying to go see a really good movie, but it ends after 40 minutes.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 21.10.2012 at 16:43

Personally I don't really car

But you really bus!

Written by Uldreth on 21.10.2012 at 16:50

Written by Boxcar Willy on 21.10.2012 at 16:43

Personally I don't really car

But you really bus!

This upsets me, I was waiting for more.

Actually worth the 8 year wait. Holy shit.

Written by truenoacero on 21.10.2012 at 18:55

This upsets me, I was waiting for more.

I agree. Its decent, but its way to thick and it is terribly produced for a professional release. Jari shouldve brought in a co-producer to level things out.

Sons of Winter Stars has interesting parts but as a whole it is just a mess of a song. I do really love Land of Snow and Sorrow and the title track is great as well, but we shouldnt have to wait 8 years to just get 2 great songs..

Compare Jari's intro to Whispered's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLeHUE9DB-U

Written by Hawkk44 on 21.10.2012 at 19:14

Actually worth the 8 year wait. Holy shit.

Judging by the disproportionately high ratings for this, I can see no one else found this mind numbingly boring like I did. That's unfortunate.

Written by LeChron James on 22.10.2012 at 01:03

Judging by the disproportionately high ratings for this, I can see no one else found this mind numbingly boring like I did. That's unfortunate.

Give it time (no pun intended). I didn't like it at first too.

Like everyone, I was highly anticipating this release after their fantastic debut. The three songs here are certainly enjoyable, but what I really loved about their debut was the guitar solos and guitar work in general and that has certainly taken a big step back here. The use of symphony is nice as I happen to be a fan of it but I would have loved to hear some more intense instrumental work. The length of this album is another issue for me. Three songs and two instrumentals as an intro to two of them is not enough, the album therefore does not offer as much variety as the debut. Hopefully Time II will be a more epic experience.

Written by [user id=35732] on 21.10.2012 at 22:16

Compared. Barely nothing in common.

They are both oriental-influenced symphonic intros by a metal band. Seeing as that is a pretty obscure thing, that is a good amount in common.

Millions of layers takes an eterninty for my ears to handle all these mess, urge for perfection's driven them to "obsession for perfection" and the result is overly polished perfection, I'll give it a 10 because they did all these mess for a 10 or maybe a 15.

Written by LeChron James on 22.10.2012 at 01:03

I can see no one else found this mind numbingly boring like I did.

you must look better, bro

tbh i cant think up any other example of so much over-hyped nothing as this album...i would rate it 6 for objective qualities and then half this number for all the bullshit around...but i only rate albums i have physical copies of them, which is not this case and wont be unless someone gives it to me for free...so you wont see my "3" here

The first three tracks are rather enjoyable stuff but poor production brings the entity down.

Written by Ellrohir on 22.10.2012 at 15:39

i would rate it 6 for objective qualities and then half this number for all the bullshit around...

God forbid

Written by [user id=35732] on 19.10.2012 at 22:39

Noise is overproduced. Or not. Is it? What? What's overproduced? It's nothing. This wasn't made for eight years, and anyway Time I & II both took the time and kinda still do.

What the fuck are you babbling about?

Anyway, this album is a perfect example of the fake "symphonic" overpolished bullshit that passes for metal these days.

Perfect By All The Menas But For Sadly There 3 Songs

Written by [user id=109246] on 22.10.2012 at 17:31

Written by EthicaOdini85 on 22.10.2012 at 13:56

This album does not worth 10 neither a 9 noobs...it deserves max 8.3

No, it deserves something between 9.987 and 9.994. And I am absolutely objective.

great reply.

Written by [user id=109246] on 22.10.2012 at 17:34

Written by Rawand on 22.10.2012 at 16:31

Perfect By All The Menas But For Sadly There 3 Songs

It would have been a clear 2012 album-of-the-year winner if both parts had been released together as one.

nah... I bet it would have been too long for it's own good

Ah good, this is off the top 200 charts now.

I love the first album, but hey what's going on here? it smells like money, in fact it stinks!
"...we have thousands of fans waiting for our second album, they're just going to pay... but there's a problem we only have 60 minutes of music. That's not a problem at all, we just have to extend the intros, outros and maybe repeat some riffs here and there and voilà 80 to 85 minutes of epicness (or pseudoepicness)" and guess what it doesn't fit on a regular cd, what a surprise! "let's release 2 cds"
Have you noticed the amount of different editions? regular cd, cd/dvd, 2cd/dvd, cd/dvd + autographed photo, etc. For my part I think I'll buy the ultra limited edition including the black chinese costume that the members wear... By the way 80 min do fit on a regular audio cd. A certain musician said: "...anyway it would be too long to listen to that kind of music for 80+ minutes" what kind of crap is that?! we listen to the music we love for several years and we always want more. The problem is not the length, a masterpiece can be 30, 40 or 70 minutes long, it doesn't matter! the problem here are the stupid arguments...
Musically is an 8 for me, but I have the overall impression, like many others, that it's an incomplete product.

Written by Windir on 22.10.2012 at 18:26

I love the first album, but hey what's going on here? it smells like money, in fact it stinks!
"...we have thousands of fans waiting for our second album, they're just going to pay... but there's a problem we only have 60 minutes of music. That's not a problem at all, we just have to extend the intros, outros and maybe repeat some riffs here and there and voilà 80 to 85 minutes of epicness (or pseudoepicness)" and guess what it doesn't fit on a regular cd, what a surprise! "let's release 2 cds"
Have you noticed the amount of different editions? regular cd, cd/dvd, 2cd/dvd, cd/dvd + autographed photo, etc. For my part I think I'll buy the ultra limited edition including the black chinese costume that the members wear... By the way 80 min do fit on a regular audio cd. A certain musician said: "...anyway it would be too long to listen to that kind of music for 80+ minutes" what kind of crap is that?! we listen to the music we love for several years and we always want more. The problem is not the length, a masterpiece can be 30, 40 or 70 minutes long, it doesn't matter! the problem here are the stupid arguments...
Musically is an 8 for me, but I have the overall impression, like many others, that it's an incomplete product.

Well said!

40% Blind Guardian's 'Night at the Opera' + 40% Dimmu Borgir 'Deathcult Apocalypse' + 20% Kalmah's 'The Black Waltz' = Time I

I'm hoping Time II will have some more 'beautiful death'-ish songs.

Facking epic!! Jari u r something else