I believe it's the best Metallica album.

I think this album is one of the best Metallica albums."Sad But True"&"Enter Sandman"&"The Unforgiven"&"Wherever I May Room"These songs are among the best heavy metal songs.

Good album. not their best nor the best either.

Good album

Good album but not metallicas best album The god that fucken failed

I give 1 because most of riffs on this album are ripped off, Check out this track and see bu yourselves what I mean "Excel-Tapping Into The Emotional Void"

The black album is one of their best albums. most of the songs sound really cool like "Of Wolf and Man". This is the point in Metallica's history where they showed some true balls.

Written by megametallic0710 on 07.05.2011 at 03:40

This is the point in Metallica's history where they showed some true balls.

That's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

This is a solid trad metal album. It may not rival to some of their earlier albums, but it is good in it's own right. Better than MoP to me. Holier Than Thou, Through The Never, The God That Failed are my favorites from the album. They also played Holier when I saw them live, which was a nice surprise.

"You just stood there creaming"

I think it's the best album for them

Enter Sandman is my favorite song from Metallica.

2nd favourite album by the gods. 3 best songs are holier than thou, of wolf and man, and struggle within:banger:

Who is the stupid that thinks this album is hard-rock?

Written by Vikcen on 26.11.2011 at 18:33
Who is the stupid that thinks this album is hard-rock?

I am the stupid.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.11.2011 at 22:22

Written by Vikcen on 26.11.2011 at 18:33
Who is the stupid that thinks this album is hard-rock?

I am the stupid.

well then stupid is wrong
this album is straight up heavy metal.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 27.11.2011 at 13:23
this album is straight up heavy metal.

I dunno, I identify with heavy metal as Maiden et al, this album has a lot more hard rock influence.

I agree with Marcel, the black album is most definitely a metal album. They didn't start showing hard rock influences in their sound until "Load". Whether you hate the black album is of course just a matter of personal taste, but calling it something it isn't makes me think it's not being bashed for entirely honest reasons. It's mainstream, streamlined metal, which some may well hate, but it's still metal nonetheless. It's as if people can't bring themselves to call it "metal" just because they hate it so much.

My hatred (I actually find it an average album) for the album has nothing to do with its genre; I'm objective enough to look at this for what it is and that's a hard rock/heavy metal hybrid, with slight emphasis on heavy metal, sure. "Enter Sandman" is a classic example of a hard rock song, and you've got the typical "light" rock songs ("The Unforgiven" and "Nothing Else Matters").

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 08:24

My hatred (I actually find it an average album) for the album has nothing to do with its genre; I'm objective enough to look at this for what it is and that's a hard rock/heavy metal hybrid, with slight emphasis on heavy metal, sure. "Enter Sandman" is a classic example of a hard rock song, and you've got the typical "light" rock songs ("The Unforgiven" and "Nothing Else Matters").

I remember the first time I heard "Load" I found it a huge shock to the system. Which was mainly because of the very obvious hard rock influences on the album. Had the Black Album been a rock album, I wouldn't have been nearly as shocked as I'd have already been used to Metallica sounding like that.

Bands such as Whitesnake, Van Halen, early Def Leppard etc is music categorised as hard rock. The material on the Black Album is quite clearly not the same genre played by those types of bands. You may have a point with the ballads, but it could quite easily be argued that ballads by their very nature cannot be metal (unless they develop into metal at some point in the song ala: "One" or "Welcome Home (Sanitarium)"), and so any ballad on a metal album is not actually a metal song, regardless of the genre that's played on the rest of the album.

Written by Angelic Storm on 28.11.2011 at 08:40
Bands such as Whitesnake, Van Halen, early Def Leppard etc is music categorised as hard rock.

Well that explains it - you refer to a lot of glam and pop/rock bands that dabbled in hard rock as purely hard rock bands, so by comparison this album could definitely be seen as a heavy metal release. I see this the way I see bands like Danzig, Ozzy, Motorhead, Pink Cream 69, etc. - as hard rock/heavy metal hybrids.

It's a difference in age. You and Marcel (no offense to either of you) are part of the "old crowd". You heard it first, when it was fresh, and you were exposed to those kinds of shocks when thrash bands changed their styles. I'm part of the "new crowd" (and I don't expect to be offended as such). I went back and listened to all of those albums years after they were released.

There's a whole philosophical discussion behind this which I won't get into due to how off-topic it could get, but essentially there are two groups who will identify with this release one way or the other (and then you'll get some new crowd people calling it heavy, not rock and vice versa) but the point is it's not wrong to call it heavy metal or hard rock.

It seems like Troy is being revisionist concerning genres

That's the constant argument you get from people your age Marcel. I'm sure you're all still upset that we don't call Mercyful Fate black metal anymore too. Hell, in 30 years I'm sure a lot of the black/death/doom/etc. I know and love will be twisted into new forms of music.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 19:25

That's the constant argument you get from people your age Marcel. I'm sure you're all still upset that we don't call Mercyful Fate black metal anymore too. Hell, in 30 years I'm sure a lot of the black/death/doom/etc. I know and love will be twisted into new forms of music.

I can understand MF nto being considered bm anymore because BM is now defined by its music and not lyrics. But saying Metallica isn't heavy metal any more is just plain ridiculos. That's saying the airplane of the Wright brothers isn't an airplane or the very first car isn't a car.

That's your opinion. I have mine, and that is that this album is a hard rock/heavy metal hybrid.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 19:30

That's your opinion. I have mine, and that is that this album is a hard rock/heavy metal hybrid.

And your opinion is wrong, simple. A couple of ballads don't make it hard rock, else ron maiden would also be hard rock

No a couple of ballads don't make it hard rock, but as I've already said before, a few of the songs do.

This is going nowhere Marcel. You and I both know how the argument goes: you're old, I'm young, you know everything, I don't know anything. It's tiresome really.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 19:34

: you're old, I'm young, you know everything, I don't know anything. It's tiresome really.

Might be for you, but it is the truth. I don't know everything but when it comes to this sort of stuff I do know more. Simply due to the longer time I am into all this stuff underground as well as mainstream and due to reading up on it by checking out reliable sources and not forums where everyone spouts all sort of nonesense.

You can't change my opinion regardless. I think this is a hard rock album. It's not because I hate the band, it's not because I'm trying to rewrite history, it's because based on other hard rock bands I listen to, this fits right in. When I listen to heavy metal like Priest and Maiden, I don't think about the black album. When I listen to Godsmack and Audioslave I think of the black album. It isn't nonsense, and it's really unfair to judge my opinion as such because you have a different opinion and had "reliable sources" (which are also just other opinions).

Written by Troy Killjoy on 28.11.2011 at 08:52
I see this the way I see bands like Danzig, Ozzy, Motorhead, Pink Cream 69, etc. - as hard rock/heavy metal hybrids.

Danzig (the first 4 albums at least) were primarily a metal band, but there was hard rock and blues rock (and doom metal) elements in their music at times. Ozzy's solo stuff has always been metal, though I would concede it's closer to hard rock than say, thrash metal.

Motorhead are an interesting one, as many actually class them as metal. But Lemmy himself has always said Motorhead just play "rock n' roll". To me, Motorhead are primarily a hard rock band with punk elements. And later in their career, metal elements found their way into the sound as well. Pink Cream 69? I'll admit, I've only heard about 3 songs by them, but I don't hear any metal in their music at all, it's pure rock.