Written by VforIAmAVagina on 05.07.2013 at 22:23

I bet They can not even reach "Ten".

Written by [user id=4365] on 05.07.2013 at 22:42
What's your point? There are lots of local bands that I support that have only a handful of fans as they aren't well known.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 05.07.2013 at 22:44

Cute, isn't?

Written by [user id=4365] on 05.07.2013 at 21:13

I certainly agree that my comment was throwaway and of not much use, that tends to be a habit with news articles, but it's the throwaway nature of it and the fact it caused such a reaction that I find amusing.

Written by [user id=4365] on 05.07.2013 at 10:37

Written by Italics on 05.07.2013 at 09:39


Go listen to more of your bands that only you and 10 other people have ever heard of

So many oversensitive people. I make a comment about a band, people get personally offended. I've never understood how that's possible. Stop being a victim.

I also had a look through your recent comments and you're just as negative about albums as anyone else here (in fact almost all your comments on that page are negative). This entire page is full of whining hypocrites who want to eat their cake and have it

Written by Italics on 07.07.2013 at 02:05

"this isn't metal" kind of nonsense comments that you make.

Written by Zap on 06.07.2013 at 23:46

Great thread guys. Loved the part where people started an argument and then immediately backed out.

Written by Italics on 07.07.2013 at 02:05

"this isn't metal" kind of nonsense comments that you make.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 09.07.2013 at 01:02

Yo, you're being called out on this fallacy, yet haven't answered Joe on it. Ashamed of your own little lies, boy?

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This song and the two songs off of the single are the only good songs on the album.

The rest is absolute garbage.

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Yup, gave it a listen.. garbage.

The very first song was kind of interesting and gave me some hope... everything after that, absolutely horrible. Oh well, I gave it a fair shot!

Written by [user id=4365] on 04.07.2013 at 17:01

Quite an honour. Shame it went on such a lame band, but good on them.

Written by Saiyanity on 09.07.2013 at 16:42

Just out of curiosity what is it you find so lame about them? Not trying to start an argument (I couldn't care less if you like the band.) just genuinely curious to hear what it is you don't like about them so much. I always like to hear peoples reasoning behind their opinions when they differ from the general consensus, especially when it's someone with a lot more metal knowledge than myself.

Written by [user id=4365] on 09.07.2013 at 16:51

Written by Saiyanity on 09.07.2013 at 16:42

Just out of curiosity what is it you find so lame about them? Not trying to start an argument (I couldn't care less if you like the band.) just genuinely curious to hear what it is you don't like about them so much. I always like to hear peoples reasoning behind their opinions when they differ from the general consensus, especially when it's someone with a lot more metal knowledge than myself.

Well to put that "lame" comment into context a more accurate opinion of them would be "overrated." I don't think they're at all bad, just a bit average and not worthy of the huge amount of praise they get. Musically I find them overblown, overproduced and soulless. The "extreme" sections just sound messy and forced, and the other parts sound a bit cheesy and far too grandiose with all that sickly melody. Overall I just find they do a lot with their instruments but don't really make much in terms of music because they're trying hard to be technical, epic and extreme all at the same time. If they stopped trying to do so much and learn to be a bit more organic in their approach I might appreciate them.

Written by Saiyanity on 09.07.2013 at 17:02


I can definitely see where you're coming from. I've always felt the same way about them to an extent, but I've been able to overlook it. It would certainly be nice to hear them go for a more organic sound on the next release.

Written by [user id=4365] on 09.07.2013 at 17:03

Written by Saiyanity on 09.07.2013 at 17:02


I can definitely see where you're coming from. I've always felt the same way about them to an extent, but I've been able to overlook it. It would certainly be nice to hear them go for a more organic sound on the next release.

I think a vaguely similar example would be Kalisia. I really liked their first demo which was focused and had a great organic sound, then they released their full length and it was just too much rammed into one album and had a clinical sound to it. (although there was a 14 year gap between the two )

Written by Saiyanity on 09.07.2013 at 17:09

Can't say that I've ever heard of them. It the demo available anywhere online? And yeah 14 years will do things to a band, for better or worse.

Written by [user id=4365] on 09.07.2013 at 16:51


Well to put that "lame" comment into context a more accurate opinion of them would be "overrated." I don't think they're at all bad, just a bit average and not worthy of the huge amount of praise they get. Musically I find them overblown, overproduced and soulless. The "extreme" sections just sound messy and forced, and the other parts sound a bit cheesy and far too grandiose with all that sickly melody. Overall I just find they do a lot with their instruments but don't really make much in terms of music because they're trying hard to be technical, epic and extreme all at the same time. If they stopped trying to do so much and learn to be a bit more organic in their approach I might appreciate them.

Written by Uldreth on 09.07.2013 at 17:20

My only problem with them is that sometimes their songs seem disjointed, the same thing that plagues let's say Opeth's first album, an album that I'd say is quite similiar to this.

On the other hand I find the clean sections with "all that sickly melody" to have a quite lush and powerful atmosphere and they use soft-harsh dynamics very well on the album which is the primary reason why I like it so much.

Written by [user id=4365] on 09.07.2013 at 17:23


I find that kind of dynamic works better when used conservatively. Focus on one then have a kind of pay-off with the other which dramatically improves its implementation and becomes a point of note on that particular song. For me this kind of random and constant back and forth and combining of the two really diminishes both sides of their music.

Written by Uldreth on 09.07.2013 at 17:39

I also consider Hypno5e's last album which, if I remember well, you liked, to be similiar to this in terms of songwriting approach, the clinical/mechanical sounding mathy grinding on it is pretty okay but I tend to like the soft sections there more than the chugging as well, however the harsh sections work very well to provide contrast for the cleans.

I understand your point though, but I think this is even more subject to subjectivity than most other things because at least as much I can grasp this, this sort of songwriting is rather hard to measure qualitatively, it just sometimes clicks other time does not.

Written by [user id=4365] on 09.07.2013 at 17:12

Written by Saiyanity on 09.07.2013 at 17:09

Can't say that I've ever heard of them. It the demo available anywhere online? And yeah 14 years will do things to a band, for better or worse.

Can't see it anywhere other than here, a couple of tracks on Youtube. Really nice demo though.

That being said, you might prefer the full length, here.