Wow...you knew Kekal band...this band from Indonesia & they give a free download from their website, take a look at : http://www.kekal.org/home.php

I knew Christian metal just few month ago, I do hope their music as good as other metal music. For Christian metal, I like Sacrificium, Pantokrator, Horde, Divinefire, Consecrator & Feast Eternal

Written by [user id=20536] on 07.01.2010 at 09:45

Anti-Christianity in metal is from my viewpoint is an oxymoron, because Metal is about freedom from oppression, strength, and releasing of deep emotions. People from all walks of life face these things, but the only difference is that Christians believe that salvation through the blood of Christ is the only way to become free from the bondage of sin.

I think you're making a contradiction if you say that Anti-Christian metal is oxymoronic if metal is about a freedom from oppression. It's common to find lyrics based around the theme of breaking from the oppression of Christianity, which to me is a great freedom. In my opinion, 'the bondage of sin' is just another Chrsitian term that shackles the mind into the denial (or rather, supression) of one's carnal desires and intrinsic human nature. If metal is about freedom, Anti-Christian metal is not an oxymoron.

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

Written by Dane Train on 07.01.2010 at 22:03

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

I think you and I went over this once before Dane. Where you may see Christianity and Metal fitting together due to spiritual warfare and fighting off the battles of life (depression, sorrow, grief, worry, anger, hate, etc. - which both Metal and Christianity do for people) other people may see Christianity and Metal not fitting together since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it? I think that is where he was coming from. I would simply say that there is no topic off-limits to Heavy Metal since the whole point is freedom of expression.

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 01:05

I think you and I went over this once before Dane...

Oh yes we have. I was just curious as to his reasons.

Written by Dane Train on 07.01.2010 at 22:03

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

See my last post above. bluemobiusx and I discussed the subject a bit further in depth.

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 01:05

I think you and I went over this once before Dane. Where you may see Christianity and Metal fitting together due to spiritual warfare and fighting off the battles of life (depression, sorrow, grief, worry, anger, hate, etc. - which both Metal and Christianity do for people) other people may see Christianity and Metal not fitting together since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it? I think that is where he was coming from. I would simply say that there is no topic off-limits to Heavy Metal since the whole point is freedom of expression.

Nicely put, dude. Is this your take on the matter too or just expressing an opinion from a different point of view?

Written by Immortal on 08.01.2010 at 04:30

Nicely put, dude. Is this your take on the matter too or just expressing an opinion from a different point of view?

I could agree with both, really. I think they both have their merits, but like I said, I don't think any topic is off limits for Heavy Metal. Some may just fit better depending on what you believe. I'm more of a music first kind of guy anyway. Though I won't lie, I'm more inclined to sing along with "Hail Satan" than with "How Great Thou Art" but that might just be because I prefer Behemoth to Becoming the Archetype.

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 10:37

I'm more inclined to sing along with "Hail Satan" than with "How Great Thou Art" but that might just be because I prefer Behemoth to Becoming the Archetype.

And for it it is the opposite. Maybe because I am having dinner with BTA next week.

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 01:05

Written by Dane Train on 07.01.2010 at 22:03

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it?

How often are you oppressed by religion? or Christians? Atleast, In the U.S. where I am from, I don't think there is much religious oppression. The only that I've seen is from radical groups and that's including other religions beside Christianity. Most of the oppression I see in the world is more of the nature of social status/racial/government/ oppression. And what really gets me is that most of the anti-Christian sentiment in metal songs, especially those of black/pagan metal bands, stims for what conquerors did hundreds of years ago in the name of "Christianity." Since a lot of black metal band members usually consider themselves intellectuals, I think they would be able to see past the guise and realize that most conquerors just used "Christianity" as a front to acheive their own selfish desires.

Written by [user id=20536] on 09.01.2010 at 03:54

How often are you oppressed by religion? or Christians? Atleast, In the U.S. where I am from, I don't think there is much religious oppression. The only that I've seen is from radical groups and that's including other religions beside Christianity. Most of the oppression I see in the world is more of the nature of social status/racial/government/ oppression. And what really gets me is that most of the anti-Christian sentiment in metal songs, especially those of black/pagan metal bands, stims for what conquerors did hundreds of years ago in the name of "Christianity." Since a lot of black metal band members usually consider themselves intellectuals, I think they would be able to see past the guise and realize that most conquerors just used "Christianity" as a front to acheive their own selfish desires.

You make a valid point and if you read all of my post I would hope you're not quoting me out of context. I said this is why some people may think Christianity and Metal don't fit together, I didn't say I felt this way. However, this isn't a debate about Christianity and Heavy Metal music, it's about your favorite Christian-themed band. So if you'd like to discuss this further I'd suggest opening a Religion and Heavy Metal topic.

There are too many to list actually.... I generally perfer more 'traditional' type metal bands.... not too much metalcore and such....

Here are some I frequently crank LOUDLY!!


Ultimatum
Saint
Rob Rock
Mortification
Fires of Babylon
Grave Robber
Jacob's Dream
Barren Cross
Bloodgood
Sacred Warrior
Narnia
Faith Factor
Titanic
Kreyson
Tourniquet
Vengeance Rising
Deliverance
Sacrament
The Seventh Power
Main Line Riders

just to name a few.......

I heard before about metal band "Seraphim", I do not know this band include on catagory Christian metal or what else as I read some of member this band previously member of Choir in the Church. Does anyone know about this band ?

Guys first of all, metal is just a type of music. Technically metal (or any other type of music) could have any type of lyrical theme in it. However, if you want to argue about what was the original purpose of the first few metal bands, you would be right that it was fighting against oppression (especially later on in the 80's with many black metal bands coming into the scene). But, I don't think you should say that metal should only be about fighting off oppression OR for Christians (in which the latter makes a hell of a lot less sense, no offense).

And to be even more honest, I've never heard of a good Christian band and I never really care about what the music's themes are either.

Oh wait, I almost forgot. Personally, there MIGHT be an exception to the argument: it might sound a bit weird if a Christianity based group forms a death/black metal band or something.

Written by Electro Death on 23.01.2010 at 23:44

Oh wait, I almost forgot. Personally, there MIGHT be an exception to the argument: it might sound a bit weird if a Christianity based group forms a death/black metal band or something.

There are a bunch of extreme Metal bands that are Christian in faith. I take it you are unfamiliarly with any of them?

I found many Christian people didn't know anything about Christian metal music specially in here (Indonesia) & when they listened this music, they were surprised. They thought this music from other metal bands (as usuall). Go Christian metal bands, making you familiar in all listeners

I know it is weird, but now i like couple of songs from Fratello Metallo

Alove for enemies is pretty cool, especially the broken pledge

American band Antithesis is chrsitain, its prog metal, well I didnt like but its not so bad to

Couldn't care less to be honest. It's their right choosing Christianity as their primary musical direction, but since I'm a devoted atheist I don't really want to hear any regardless of awesomeness of their music (yup, even that is a possibility)

American band from Florida Apostle are chiristain band all albums (all not more how 30min each) are about Chrisdtian themes
http://www.myspace.com/apostlebandonline

Not a big fan of "religious music" .. i got nothing against religion, but i wouldn't want metal to lose it's "coolness" by being associated to religion ... "secular metal" is fine...

PS: by "religious metal" i mean satanism too... satanic metal is just plain stupid .. exactly as religious one

Written by Zombie on 29.06.2010 at 03:23

PS: by "religious metal" i mean satanism too... satanic metal is just plain stupid .. exactly as religious one

Depends on the satanism, if it's LaVeyan satanism, that's fine by me, as it's an atheistically related belief.

Morphia or AILD ^^ im sorry for all u metalcore haters but i think AILD is one of the metalcore bands who seriusly deserve respect...

Written by [user id=20536] on 09.01.2010 at 03:54

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 01:05

Written by Dane Train on 07.01.2010 at 22:03

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it?

How often are you oppressed by religion? or Christians? Atleast, In the U.S. where I am from, I don't think there is much religious oppression. The only that I've seen is from radical groups and that's including other religions beside Christianity. Most of the oppression I see in the world is more of the nature of social status/racial/government/ oppression. And what really gets me is that most of the anti-Christian sentiment in metal songs, especially those of black/pagan metal bands, stims for what conquerors did hundreds of years ago in the name of "Christianity." Since a lot of black metal band members usually consider themselves intellectuals, I think they would be able to see past the guise and realize that most conquerors just used "Christianity" as a front to acheive their own selfish desires.

Im from Canada, but people here and in the US have to put up with religious oppression every day. Whether its the constant attack against gay rights, or scientific research, or the retarded idea that creation should be taught in a science class. Or there failed campaign against women rights, Interracial marriage, and a dozen other idea that go against the bible.

You may or may not be for or against these ideas but the fact that organizations use Jesus as an excuse to preach intolerance is religious oppression.

Written by Snarfy on 02.07.2010 at 03:55

Written by [user id=20536] on 09.01.2010 at 03:54

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 01:05

Written by Dane Train on 07.01.2010 at 22:03

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it?

How often are you oppressed by religion? or Christians? Atleast, In the U.S. where I am from, I don't think there is much religious oppression. The only that I've seen is from radical groups and that's including other religions beside Christianity. Most of the oppression I see in the world is more of the nature of social status/racial/government/ oppression. And what really gets me is that most of the anti-Christian sentiment in metal songs, especially those of black/pagan metal bands, stims for what conquerors did hundreds of years ago in the name of "Christianity." Since a lot of black metal band members usually consider themselves intellectuals, I think they would be able to see past the guise and realize that most conquerors just used "Christianity" as a front to acheive their own selfish desires.

Im from Canada, but people here and in the US have to put up with religious oppression every day. Whether its the constant attack against gay rights, or scientific research, or the retarded idea that creation should be taught in a science class. Or there failed campaign against women rights, Interracial marriage, and a dozen other idea that go against the bible.

You may or may not be for or against these ideas but the fact that organizations use Jesus as an excuse to preach intolerance is religious oppression.

i'm no expert about Christianity but i doubt that jesus would preach intolernce and at the same time ask you to show the other cheek if someone slapped you (or something like that) ... would someone enlighten me please

Written by Snarfy on 02.07.2010 at 03:55

Written by [user id=20536] on 09.01.2010 at 03:54

Written by Clintagräm on 08.01.2010 at 01:05

Written by Dane Train on 07.01.2010 at 22:03

Written by Immortal on 07.01.2010 at 05:48

Because to me, by definition "metal" is the antithesis of Christianity (amonst other things).

Would you please explain what you mean by this?

since Metal music is about rebelling against the establishment, fighting against oppression of the self (physically and mentally), or being iconoclastic in nature - and since Christianity is the dominant religion in western society (where most Metal music comes from) it is naturally Christianity that Metalheads might rebel against since it tells us how we should live. It's kind of a big "fuck you" to the man, aka God and the Church, get it?

How often are you oppressed by religion? or Christians? Atleast, In the U.S. where I am from, I don't think there is much religious oppression. The only that I've seen is from radical groups and that's including other religions beside Christianity. Most of the oppression I see in the world is more of the nature of social status/racial/government/ oppression. And what really gets me is that most of the anti-Christian sentiment in metal songs, especially those of black/pagan metal bands, stims for what conquerors did hundreds of years ago in the name of "Christianity." Since a lot of black metal band members usually consider themselves intellectuals, I think they would be able to see past the guise and realize that most conquerors just used "Christianity" as a front to acheive their own selfish desires.

Im from Canada, but people here and in the US have to put up with religious oppression every day. Whether its the constant attack against gay rights, or scientific research, or the retarded idea that creation should be taught in a science class. Or there failed campaign against women rights, Interracial marriage, and a dozen other idea that go against the bible.

You may or may not be for or against these ideas but the fact that organizations use Jesus as an excuse to preach intolerance is religious oppression.

You make it sound like fundamentalists have a lot more power than they really do. Plus political/societal/cultural change usually takes time, and reactionary political correctness movements hurt more than they help. Specifically, the gay rights movement. There's a certain level of professionalism required in gaining acceptance/recognition, and many gays/supporters simply haven't realized that, or are wholly incapable (probably a combination of the two. Ever seen a gay pride parade? I rest my case). I'm gay, so I'd say that grants me a certain degree of insight on the rights vs. religious oppression/bias.

If anything, I'd say that Christianity is more of a target than women's rights, gay equality, interracial marriage, or Atheism. I've encountered several students in my area that have claimed Christianity is fascism (hmm... After reading/researching Mussolini, I don't see how Jesus would approve of the Third Way...), a few want it outlawed (outlawing an entire religion? Sounds a bit authoritarian to me), and the real kicker is a lot of these people defend Islam when it gets attack. Attacking a target but getting mad if someone else does it to a different one with the same claims and tactics makes little sense.

Extend that to the metal community and a common reaction to Christian bands. "Omg [x band] isn't [x genre] because it lacks [x ideology]". The black metal kids are the best. Attacking Christianity yet falling into the same trappings as their target. I'm not a fan of Christian metal, as the bands I've heard tend to sound different from what I normally like, but my dislike for it has nothing to do with the fact that they're Christian, it's related to the music. I see liking/disliking a group because of ideological content instead of their art as falling into the hipster mentality: associating with something purely because of its image. Seems shallow to me. I admit that the lyrics (particularly of "unblack" and deathcore bands) tend to blow ass, but lyrics don't influence my like/dislike for a group(although if they're well written, it's an extra bonus, as in the case of Deathspell Omega).

For the record, I think blind devotion to any belief/sect or lack thereof is destructive, and I'm not a Christian apologetic by any means, as I view it as a generally masochistic belief system, particularly the more modern variants. I just like people to be consistent and look at the whole picture when they're criticizing something.

Yeah, the number of extremist Christian is such a small minority. In the U.SA., since I live there and would know, you don't see extremist groups on a daily, weekly or monthly basis in real life. You see that crap on the news. Stuff like Westboro Baptist Church and stuff is not wide spread, just well known. THat's the power that the media can give somthing so small. Most Christians you meet are really nice people. People who are out donating to the poor, cutting an elderly person's grass, things of that nature. The hardest thing for me to understand is why Christianity is such a target of metal today. It's not like Christians can force you to be Christian, even the more extreme ones do nothing more but preach their own beliefs...you don't have to listen if you don't like it. With all the things like corrupt politics, economic failures, genocides, and environmental destruction you would think metalheads would have more intellectual lyrical topics through which to express disgust and hatred. But whatever, I'm glad that I get to freely have a personal relationship with Jesus. It's great to live in a country that gives me that right.

Christian metal is pure shit, it's the same as black metal in the sense that they are both on the far edges of the scale fuck christ humpers bunch of faggots you're just as bad as these satanic queers covered in fake blood

Christian metal is pure shit, it's the same as black metal in the sense that they are both on the far edges of the scale fuck god humpers screaming about they can sing of "his" love forever (yes that's a corpus christi reference) bunch of faggots you're just as bad as these satanic queers covered in fake blood speaking in the tongues of lucifer fuck religion it's mind control in disguise!

Written by ThisIsNotHere on 03.07.2010 at 02:45

You make it sound like fundamentalists have a lot more power than they really do. Plus political/societal/cultural change usually takes time, and reactionary political correctness movements hurt more than they help. Specifically, the gay rights movement. There's a certain level of professionalism required in gaining acceptance/recognition, and many gays/supporters simply haven't realized that, or are wholly incapable (probably a combination of the two. Ever seen a gay pride parade? I rest my case). I'm gay, so I'd say that grants me a certain degree of insight on the rights vs. religious oppression/bias.

If anything, I'd say that Christianity is more of a target than women's rights, gay equality, interracial marriage, or Atheism. I've encountered several students in my area that have claimed Christianity is fascism (hmm... After reading/researching Mussolini, I don't see how Jesus would approve of the Third Way...), a few want it outlawed (outlawing an entire religion? Sounds a bit authoritarian to me), and the real kicker is a lot of these people defend Islam when it gets attack. Attacking a target but getting mad if someone else does it to a different one with the same claims and tactics makes little sense.

Extend that to the metal community and a common reaction to Christian bands. "Omg [x band] isn't [x genre] because it lacks [x ideology]". The black metal kids are the best. Attacking Christianity yet falling into the same trappings as their target. I'm not a fan of Christian metal, as the bands I've heard tend to sound different from what I normally like, but my dislike for it has nothing to do with the fact that they're Christian, it's related to the music. I see liking/disliking a group because of ideological content instead of their art as falling into the hipster mentality: associating with something purely because of its image. Seems shallow to me. I admit that the lyrics (particularly of "unblack" and deathcore bands) tend to blow ass, but lyrics don't influence my like/dislike for a group(although if they're well written, it's an extra bonus, as in the case of Deathspell Omega).

For the record, I think blind devotion to any belief/sect or lack thereof is destructive, and I'm not a Christian apologetic by any means, as I view it as a generally masochistic belief system, particularly the more modern variants. I just like people to be consistent and look at the whole picture when they're criticizing something.

this is perhaps the single best response to any thread i've read here in a week.

kudos to you.

and seeing as you mentioned gay pride parades... enjoy.