Written by AnGina-- on 03.07.2007 at 22:34

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Although, my tool for recruiting my little brother into it is Anthrax, hahaha, and it's working pretty damn well.

I think recruiting someone younger in metal is the highest point one can achieve in a person that's growing up I got my lil cousin into metal through Amon Amarth. He hated it at first when I had my AA era after With Oden... came out and now he's addicted. I'm so proud of that little spoiled brat

Haha, I'm trying to get my cousin who's the same age into it, but I'm having trouble because he's too much of a skater to listen to what I listen to, haha.

I'd hate it less if he listened to something other than the fucking Casualties.

Written by OneWithMisery on 03.07.2007 at 22:30

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Written by [user id=24669] on 03.07.2007 at 05:44

Most people in the US pay attention to Metalcore. So the most "accessible" form of metal is probably metalcore or nu-metal.

Nu-metal is not a form of metal! It has nothing to do with metal what so ever!!

Of course it's metal. It may not be as extreme as other genres, but it's still metal. Just because you don't like that genre doesn't make it something that it's not. Just because someone doesn't like Soft Rock doesn't mean that it's not Rock.

And which part of it is the metal part? I read a music article/critic about nu-metal.. I quote:"Nu-metal has nothing to do with actual metal music, because metal requests talent and skills, members have to master their instruments, and the singer has to have proper voice, depending on the genre of metal the band is playing. Does nu-metal have amazing solos? No...but it has a DJ." I'm not gonna argue, I just don't see any metal characteristics in nu-metal.

You are overlooking the particulars in favor of your musical tastes. Let's see. There are distorted, drop tuned guitars, bass, drums, and a singer, sometimes even a keyboard player. That critic you quoted gave a horrible description of nu-metal, or any kind of music for that matter. Just because members in a nu-metal band didn't master their instruments, or because they don't play solos, or because the singer sucks hardly makes it "not metal". Sloppy music is still music. Punk is considered a legitimate form of Rock, but why? The band members did not master their instruments, and the singers, most of the time (if you listen to true punk) suck. Just because nu-metal is a softer form of metal that was hijacked by the media and the mallcore kids doesn't make it what it isn't. Personally, I hate nu-metal, but I still acknowledge it as a legitimate form of metal.

And it became very "mainstream," too MTV for me.

It always cracks me up when I see this argument being used when it comes to nu-metal. Because guess what? Back in the eighties Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and a load of of thrash bands were also on MTV heavy rotation and were considered mainstream.

I'm not talking about the eightees..besides, a lot of death/trash/etc metal bands now are considered mainstream event though they're not even close to MTV (except Headbangers ball maybe), but people talk about them as mainstream just because they play music in the way, that attracts a lot of people. For example, I read that Children of Bodom are mainstream, because they have mainly young audience, Trivium are mainstream because they make music that is just "too likable," and so on--And I don't even like their music, I simply made an example. But they're not being played on TV in the midle of the day, right after Britney Spears, and they still sell records, and have a very loyal audience. I never said that bands you have in mind aren't or weren't mainstream, but I never said I'm listening to them, either. Just to close to whole thing, I don't like nu-metal, I don't like metalcore, I don't like so called metal bands that were soooo hard and so trOO, and now they've sold out their asses for bigger profit.

I dont really give a crap about this mainstream and nu-metal argument cuz its just plain stupid (sorry but thats my opinion) I just would like to add that what most ppl think as "sell out", probably what the band has done is "saved their asses from indiference and falling into the unknown even again". Whenever i hear "zomg! band x sold out and stuff!" When you ask the person if they heard the last "sold out" album, many ppl say "no i didnt, but my friend told me/i heard somewhere that they sold their asses and i dont wanna hear them anymore", and yet the album might be as good as before or better. Just because now they make more videoclips, or altered a bit their way of playing. Oh come on now, are ppl this superficial? :

Who said that I don't listen to some bands because my friends say that they've sold out?? I don't listen to what I think it sucks- Metallica sold their ass, didn't they? St. Anger sucks big time, it's not even close to what they were playing before. So why should I listen to them? Don't even get it started with me.. I just said, that I don't appreciate bands, that were considering themselves trOO metal, and then went mainstream or even metalcore just to make more money and get more publicity. Metal is supposed to be about music, not about money. And the bands that were claming for years that music is what counts, changed their music genre, so larger amount of audience would like them. Pathetic. Sold out. Pure and simple.

Again, im sorry for the big off-topic but i gotta tell you musicians have to freaking EAT too. If things get complicated in a personal level, i dont see anything bad in trying to make a little bit more money. Im not saying most bands (or Metallica even) are/were starving to death so they had to "sell out", but i think u guys make too big of a deal about "sell out" bands. Sheesh if u dont like them anymore then stop listening and just move on with it. Lol complaining aint gonna make them "go back to their roots".

That's what I'm saying, helloo...I'm pretty sure they know that they'll loose a lot of old fans..and gane some new who will like their music better. But what I'm trying to say is that old fans will take this as a betrayal...just look what happened to Agathodaimon, from black metal to I have no freaking idea what, and the band itself said, how many fans they've lost. And I have no problem with bands that keep their mouths shut, and then change genre, but a band, that claims he's here for the music and everything, and that they'd never chance, and one year later they go metalcore just because it's popular at the moment..well that sucks. That was my point.

Written by OneWithMisery on 03.07.2007 at 22:48

That's what I'm saying, helloo...I'm pretty sure they know that they'll loose a lot of old fans..and gane some new who will like their music better. But what I'm trying to say is that old fans will take this as a betrayal...just look what happened to Agathodaimon, from black metal to I have no freaking idea what, and the band itself said, how many fans they've lost. And I have no problem with bands that keep their mouths shut, and then change genre, but a band, that claims he's here for the music and everything, and that they'd never chance, and one year later they go metalcore just because it's popular at the moment..well that sucks. That was my point.

Well yeah i understand your point of view now, but still situations change. The future cant be forseen Well most of the time it cant lol. I bet they didnt see it coming. Im not trying to find excuse for them ;P Just kinda defending "change" a bit.

Written by MadGatsu on 03.07.2007 at 23:53

Written by OneWithMisery on 03.07.2007 at 22:48

That's what I'm saying, helloo...I'm pretty sure they know that they'll loose a lot of old fans..and gane some new who will like their music better. But what I'm trying to say is that old fans will take this as a betrayal...just look what happened to Agathodaimon, from black metal to I have no freaking idea what, and the band itself said, how many fans they've lost. And I have no problem with bands that keep their mouths shut, and then change genre, but a band, that claims he's here for the music and everything, and that they'd never chance, and one year later they go metalcore just because it's popular at the moment..well that sucks. That was my point.

Well yeah i understand your point of view now, but still situations change. The future cant be forseen Well most of the time it cant lol. I bet they didnt see it coming. Im not trying to find excuse for them ;P Just kinda defending "change" a bit.

Well they can change all they want, I agree, it's their problem or decision, but sometimes they want to go back to their "roots," and that's when they really loose as little credibility they had left...from experience-fans don't like bands that turn around like the wind blows.

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That's what I'm saying, helloo...I'm pretty sure they know that they'll loose a lot of old fans..and gane some new who will like their music better. But what I'm trying to say is that old fans will take this as a betrayal...just look what happened to Agathodaimon, from black metal to I have no freaking idea what, and the band itself said, how many fans they've lost. And I have no problem with bands that keep their mouths shut, and then change genre, but a band, that claims he's here for the music and everything, and that they'd never chance, and one year later they go metalcore just because it's popular at the moment..well that sucks. That was my point.

Well yeah i understand your point of view now, but still situations change. The future cant be forseen Well most of the time it cant lol. I bet they didnt see it coming. Im not trying to find excuse for them ;P Just kinda defending "change" a bit.

Well they can change all they want, I agree, it's their problem or decision, but sometimes they want to go back to their "roots," and that's when they really loose as little credibility they had left...from experience-fans don't like bands that turn around like the wind blows.

People make mistakes too Sometimes they just want to try out new sounds and possibilities, not merely make more money And in those cases, IF and WHEN they realize they made a bad move, they might want to come back to their previous sound. Ofc that might sound a bit incoeherent (sorry if i just spelt that incorrectly ) from them but well at least they are coming back to something (supposedly) good! And this is my final off-topic post ;P

Easiest genre? Doom metal.

Hardest genre? Classical.

I think the easiest genre to get into is any symphonic metal because to me alot of it is catchy and i really like the style because for me its not boring. another genre that i find is easy to get into is power metal because again i find it isnt boring and it can be catchy too.

Written by MadGatsu on 04.07.2007 at 01:51

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That's what I'm saying, helloo...I'm pretty sure they know that they'll loose a lot of old fans..and gane some new who will like their music better. But what I'm trying to say is that old fans will take this as a betrayal...just look what happened to Agathodaimon, from black metal to I have no freaking idea what, and the band itself said, how many fans they've lost. And I have no problem with bands that keep their mouths shut, and then change genre, but a band, that claims he's here for the music and everything, and that they'd never chance, and one year later they go metalcore just because it's popular at the moment..well that sucks. That was my point.

Well yeah i understand your point of view now, but still situations change. The future cant be forseen Well most of the time it cant lol. I bet they didnt see it coming. Im not trying to find excuse for them ;P Just kinda defending "change" a bit.

Well they can change all they want, I agree, it's their problem or decision, but sometimes they want to go back to their "roots," and that's when they really loose as little credibility they had left...from experience-fans don't like bands that turn around like the wind blows.

People make mistakes too Sometimes they just want to try out new sounds and possibilities, not merely make more money And in those cases, IF and WHEN they realize they made a bad move, they might want to come back to their previous sound. Ofc that might sound a bit incoeherent (sorry if i just spelt that incorrectly ) from them but well at least they are coming back to something (supposedly) good! And this is my final off-topic post ;P

If they want to try out new sounds and possibilities because they like that kind of music, then...well, a real fan will respect that, the problem is that in a lot of cases, they do it for the money. I won't even start with band names, 'cause you're right, enough with off-topic posts

Melodic and catchy riffed bands regardless of genre seem to be the easiest to listen to for anyone I try and recruit, for instance Carcass's - Swansong album seems to hit a familiar note with a lot of people who are entering metal for the first time. Also, I believe it matters greatly where they are coming from musically. If someone were to try and go from rap to metal what I would first show them would be different then what I would show someone going from punk to metal.
Easiest Genre - melodic death
hardest genre - grindcore/porno grind

Nu metal is pretty easy, not much technically speaking, which doesn't mean the musicians aren't talented. The fact that is pretty commercial can help too. It's easy to get. And there are some really good bands, like Chevelle or Breaking Benjamin.

Written by +{Jonas}+ on 04.07.2007 at 20:23

Nu metal is pretty easy, not much technically speaking, which doesn't mean the musicians aren't talented. The fact that is pretty commercial can help too. It's easy to get. And there are some really good bands, like Chevelle or Breaking Benjamin.

Yeah maybe easy, but is it catchy? Look at these kids that are just starting to get into "metal." They start with (commercial) Trivium or CoB, and not a lot of these kids know who Breaking Benjamin is..and the one's that get into nu-metal, usually don't get the idea behind death or black or whatever other metal, and they think it sucks..whick is weird, considering the fact that it's all (supposedly) metal..

Written by OneWithMisery on 04.07.2007 at 21:29

Written by +{Jonas}+ on 04.07.2007 at 20:23

Nu metal is pretty easy, not much technically speaking, which doesn't mean the musicians aren't talented. The fact that is pretty commercial can help too. It's easy to get. And there are some really good bands, like Chevelle or Breaking Benjamin.

Yeah maybe easy, but is it catchy? Look at these kids that are just starting to get into "metal." They start with (commercial) Trivium or CoB, and not a lot of these kids know who Breaking Benjamin is..and the one's that get into nu-metal, usually don't get the idea behind death or black or whatever other metal, and they think it sucks..whick is weird, considering the fact that it's all (supposedly) metal..

It can be pretty catchy, dependingn the band. When I started loistening Nu I was already a metalhead, so for me it was kinda different, it depends a lot on teh band I guess, for example BB is prettyy catchy, and so is Chevelle, TrustCompany, Taproot a bit.

You're right in one thing: A lot of this Nu Metal kids don't understan or don't see far beyond their noses in the metal world. They think Nu is teh only thing. Nu is good, I like it. However it's the less good of the metal subgenres. However that can happen as well with people that listens to black or death, they think their genres are the only ones that exist, and everything else is crap.

Probably there are some good bands out there from Nu and that would help to get into metal easily, although it depends I'd add in which country you live, cause in my country most of the local bands play power metal as their main genre, and lately bands from that genre have visited us, as for example Stratovarius, Angra, Helloween, Symphony X and some others.
However I don't agree in this case that Power Metal be the best way to start into metal, but we're like that in my country.

I believe the easiest genre for most people must be traditional heavy metal, especially NWOBHM, because the amount of people who started into metal with Iron Maiden. And, really, the quantity of people wearing Iron Maiden t-shirts on the street is ridiculous. The sad thing is, however, sometimes these fans never hear anything outside of Maiden, nor are interested in anything else.
Anyways, for me, the easiest was doom, because one of the first bands I heard (and liked) when getting into more underground stuff was early Katatonia. Dance of December Souls was the very first album I actually bought. I think that what attracted me was the atmosphere, the melodies and the depressive feeling and lyrics.

Written by lazarus on 06.07.2007 at 21:43

Probably there are some good bands out there from Nu and that would help to get into metal easily, although it depends I'd add in which country you live, cause in my country most of the local bands play power metal as their main genre, and lately bands from that genre have visited us, as for example Stratovarius, Angra, Helloween, Symphony X and some others.
However I don't agree in this case that Power Metal be the best way to start into metal, but we're like that in my country.

Yes it depends a lot on teh country. Here bands are pretty much divided between heavy/power metal and black/death metal. So most metalheads are pretty much in that genre.

The easiest genre of all time....GLAM METAL, babies!
do not try this at home, though!

I dont know if there's a genre in specific, in my opinion something melodic its the best way, something with cool rifts.

Everyone has a different taste in what they like so there is no easiest genre to get into. Some people might like really melodic catchy stuff, while others might like slow depressing music. So it would be really hard for the slow depressing person to get into power metal and it would also be hard for the catchy person to get into doom metal. Unless I don't understand what the question to this thread, I'd say it makes no sense.

it depends on everyone's tastes - i guess for metalheads, maybe thrash??

Well for new comers its probably Nu metal then they progressevely start to listen to good music.

I bet that many of us (specially the yonger ones) started to listen to some crappy nu metal band but then they eventually got a better taste in music and found a better genre

As of myself, I started listening to Power Metal, which I still do (but now Im mainly into prog and starting to develop a bond to doom metal,) and I think its also a pretty easy genre to get into because of its catchness and the fact that it isnt scary xD

But a lot of people also get introduced to metal through Death and Thrash metal (specially here in the US) I guess its pretty much a cultural and geographical question (South America its Symphonic or Power, North America is Thrash/ Death, and nu metal, Europe it depends depends)

finnish melodic. Strip away the aggressive guitars and your left with somthing that would appeal to non metal audiences.

I'd say nu metal is the easiest way to get into metal. Then comes a time when a n00b either wants more or drops out. If you keep telling them that "Its OK, nu is metal too" he/she will probably be less motivated to venture into other genres and eventually "grow out of metal" [as they would perceive it]. If you tell them "Nu metal isn't even metal. Nu metal is cheap, shallow and meant to rip money off you." they might very well get into something more serious, especially if you give them a few pointers into some similar genres.

This might piss some of you off but a lot of melodic death metal will sound acceptable to a nu kiddie because of the melody and harsh vocals. I wouldn't recommend melodic death metal bands who's music slips into nu metal itself, rather something more in an older vein.

The way I see it, on an absolute scale, its wrong to bash nu metal [oh noes! nu metal ist metal 2!] but on a relative scale [and lets face it, that's the only scale there'll ever be] it is in the interest of metal to give n00bs a push into more serious things, even if... especially if that means bashing bands belonging to a genre that is considered shallow by classic terms.

Furthermore, I find that for those people who aren't so much into western culture around here, they often get into metal via some local band who play a wider variety of music [from hard rock, to thrash metal]. Such bands include [to whom it may concern]: Cargo, Iris, Ossian, Pokolgép, Tankcsapda, Trooper...

I would say NWOBHM just because its classic and easy to get into

Written by [user id=24489] on 25.10.2007 at 01:04

I would say NWOBHM just because its classic and easy to get into

I agree but new guys and girls deny classic stuff, NWOBHM need that time cloutings and alcohol use otherwise its not trOO

Written by Bad English on 25.10.2007 at 10:08

Written by [user id=24489] on 25.10.2007 at 01:04

I would say NWOBHM just because its classic and easy to get into

I agree but new guys and girls deny classic stuff, NWOBHM need that time cloutings and alcohol use otherwise its not trOO

Hmm depends for everyone. I first got into mostly NWOBHM stuff and Im glad I did. It was a good starting point

If one has listened to lots of music previously and is more demanding then it has to be something perhaps more sophisticated. For person without much experience in music it has to be something simpler(they produce boring music almost in all genres)

The reason why I didn't name any particular genres is because I don't want to offend anyone's musical taste. The second reason is that you have boring and brilliant music in most genres.

An observant reader perhaps noticed that I'm alleging that people who are just getting into metal without having listened much music at all previously are listening to music of low quality. Well, I have to admit that you got it right. Sorry guys. This theory is selfishly based on observing the development of my own tastes in music.

Hard Rock ... .... Power Metal ... the new stuff ... so melodic ... and obviusly this strange thing called Nu Metal ... but depends on what you want to hear ... and wich music did you hear before ...

I think that hard rock and heavy metal are the easiest genre to get into. It attracts lots of other people to listen it, who aren't so related to metal generally...

It depends on what the guy/girl want to hear...
But I think that the easiest ones are Clasic Heavy metal [Iron maiden] and Nü metal [because is so f*cking commercial]