Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
01.09.2009 - 11:41Rating: 7
Sampo and Silver Bride are amazing! Silver Bride especially, in my opinion. Yet what you say about the rest of the album is true. Just safe commercial music that sounds beautiful albeit unoriginal in terms of its lyrical content. I feel like they should have changed directions after Silent Waters, which offers the same imagery with more originality. I would have appreciated the use of more growls on this album as well, but that's another story.
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enumaelis
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Skyforger is a little bit more letdown than the slow Silent Waters. Eclipse keeps as the best they have done in years, and these 2 both are just keeping somehow the line with not so good general songs and in a safe commercial way, as you said (and there are not so many growls anymore, just those few?).
If I could save half of the songs of Silent Waters as good ones, in this one I can just save a couple or 3, having the album the top of boredom in the central part and waking up a bit with the 8th Skyforger, a great song!
Pity as well, that the 11th song of each others Eclipse and Silent Waters were really good songs and this is just average.
I'm starting to get worried!XD Since some time ago I agree almost in every review... before I always thought there were too high rates XD
6 is far rating for me(it is anyway passing)
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Nosurper Stinky Lips
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01.09.2009 - 17:46Rating: 6
Thanks for the comments guys!
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Enissa
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01.09.2009 - 18:43Rating: 10
I think that Skyforger is the best album Amorphis has did besides Eclipse, and the review didn't fair it, thats all....
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Sr Tumnus
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01.09.2009 - 19:57Rating: 10
For me is a very good album!!!!
beautyfull song and he lyrics are ok... in the mood of Amorphis... 9 for me
10 for the producction is toomuch, remember the fail in the first edition... 9 is ok
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elven
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02.09.2009 - 00:10Rating: 10
Commercial? Safe? Forgettable? Generic? are we listening to the same album??? nah, dont think so, this album is simply BRILLIANT! 10/10
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It's clear that this album is what Amorphis had in mind, when they decided to make Eclipse. I think this might just be the best album of the "Eclipse / Silent Waters / Skyforger -trilogy". The style is same as in the two previous albums, not as heavy though, but more melodic. But if you ask me, Amorphis never was the band I turned to, when I was in need of mindless growling and moshing.
Btw, criticising the music as "commercial" does never good for the review. I think the whole term should be banned, when talking about music. I mean, "uncommercial" is not some kind of cachet or sign of great quality. If that was the case, we should all be listening to something really uncommercial, like trashcan-banging with a pig squealing in the background. I bet that would be uncommercial, ergo, great music, huh?
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Nosurper Stinky Lips
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02.09.2009 - 21:27Rating: 6
Written by [user id=25589] on 02.09.2009 at 20:00
It's clear that this album is what Amorphis had in mind, when they decided to make Eclipse. I think this might just be the best album of the "Eclipse / Silent Waters / Skyforger -trilogy". The style is same as in the two previous albums, not as heavy though, but more melodic. But if you ask me, Amorphis never was the band I turned to, when I was in need of mindless growling and moshing.
Btw, criticising the music as "commercial" does never good for the review. I think the whole term should be banned, when talking about music. I mean, "uncommercial" is not some kind of cachet or sign of great quality. If that was the case, we should all be listening to something really uncommercial, like trashcan-banging with a pig squealing in the background. I bet that would be uncommercial, ergo, great music, huh?
Obviously you did not read the review very well. I said GENERALLY commercial and safe go hand in hand. Not once did I say that being commercial is a bad thing. The fact that it was safe is what does the album in. And I for one am not a fan of lyrical content so mindless. For example, I find Back in Black by AC/DC the quintessential hard rock album. Sure it is very commercial, but the Back in Black choice of title and album cover as a tribute to Bon Scott, coupled with production quality unbeatable for 1980, songwriting that couples a streamlined hard rock approch but adds a unique personality to each and every song. The bells on "Hells Bells", the infectious gang vocal chorus of "You Shook Me All Night Long", the speedy tempo incorporated for the immature, adolecent inspired "Shake a Leg", and the attitude of "Rock and Roll A'int Noise Pollution" where Brian Johnson calmly exhales a cigarette and displays the attitude and understanding for rock and roll that we all have saying "Rock and roll makes good, good sense." All the songs have their own personality and display their messages across though the music. The same cannot be said about this release, and if you can find some place where the lyrics have any influence in establishing a unique personality to almost any of these songs than more power to you, but I for one cannot and I stand by that. Musically it is strong, especially the choruses, but does nothing to make a name for itself in terms of lyrics. This makes the songs flow together, sound similar, develop no personality, and thus makes the album as a listening experience mediocre. Perhaps that explains to you more fully why I said what I did in the review.
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Nosurper Stinky Lips
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02.09.2009 - 22:01Rating: 6
And I also forgot the mention that sleezy riff at mid-tempo that just brings out all of "Rock and Roll A'int Noise Pollution"s attitude. Love it.
I also agree with the above poster, I probably should have went with a 9 on production, but I put more stock into the overall anyway and I'm very comfortable with the 6.4.
Thats all, once again thanks to all for commenting. Regardless of opinion, I really appreciate it. No one said my opinion is right and its great to hear other perspectives on how they see the music.
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Skøllgrim Northern
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I think its a stronger album than a 6.4, I don't really agree with all the fuss about being safe, unoriginal.
I see what you're getting at, but I don't really agree to that extent. This release should seen as something on its own feet, and as that I think it does the job as something powerful, melancholic and beautiful.
It does definitely have the unique Amorphis sound. But as I said, I see what you're getting at, and it has some weak moments and it can at times be considered weaker than Eclipse and Tales....but then again I'm glad they do not replicate their most successful sound or whatever, but rather just make what they think sounds good. (Even though I wouldn't mind some more stunning death grunt performances from Mr. Joutsen)
(Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one?)
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MétalNoir Fils du Lys
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17.09.2009 - 02:09Rating: 8
I can't believe you rate Skyforger 6.4... It's an outrage, really. I'm not that much into that kind of melodic, almost popp metal usually, but this album changed that, it's probably my number one album of 2009, I can't stop listening to it and even though you stated how catchy it is and all that, I can't agree with "generic" and "all songs sound the same". Yes, the structure is pretty similar for most songs, but there is a wide variety in there. Some songs are indeed very folkish, especially the title song, while others are almost melodeath/doom (Majestic Beast). Sky is Mine sounds like EToS and Silver Bride has a pop-rock chorus. No, this album is not forgettable. Well, I certainly won't forget it, but that's just me.
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enumaelis
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Written by MétalNoir on 17.09.2009 at 02:09
I can't believe you rate Skyforger 6.4... It's an outrage, really. I'm not that much into that kind of melodic, almost popp metal usually, but this album changed that, it's probably my number one album of 2009, I can't stop listening to it and even though you stated how catchy it is and all that, I can't agree with "generic" and "all songs sound the same". Yes, the structure is pretty similar for most songs, but there is a wide variety in there. Some songs are indeed very folkish, especially the title song, while others are almost melodeath/doom (Majestic Beast). Sky is Mine sounds like EToS and Silver Bride has a pop-rock chorus. No, this album is not forgettable. Well, I certainly won't forget it, but that's just me.
Try listening Eclipse and afterwards this.
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MétalNoir Fils du Lys
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21.09.2009 - 20:32Rating: 8
Written by enumaelis on 21.09.2009 at 04:47
Written by MétalNoir on 17.09.2009 at 02:09
I can't believe you rate Skyforger 6.4... It's an outrage, really. I'm not that much into that kind of melodic, almost popp metal usually, but this album changed that, it's probably my number one album of 2009, I can't stop listening to it and even though you stated how catchy it is and all that, I can't agree with "generic" and "all songs sound the same". Yes, the structure is pretty similar for most songs, but there is a wide variety in there. Some songs are indeed very folkish, especially the title song, while others are almost melodeath/doom (Majestic Beast). Sky is Mine sounds like EToS and Silver Bride has a pop-rock chorus. No, this album is not forgettable. Well, I certainly won't forget it, but that's just me.
Try listening Eclipse and afterwards this.
I hope Eclipse is better than Silent Waters, cause from the two last albums, Skyforger is the best.
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enumaelis
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Written by MétalNoir on 21.09.2009 at 20:32
Written by enumaelis on 21.09.2009 at 04:47
Written by MétalNoir on 17.09.2009 at 02:09
I can't believe you rate Skyforger 6.4... It's an outrage, really. I'm not that much into that kind of melodic, almost popp metal usually, but this album changed that, it's probably my number one album of 2009, I can't stop listening to it and even though you stated how catchy it is and all that, I can't agree with "generic" and "all songs sound the same". Yes, the structure is pretty similar for most songs, but there is a wide variety in there. Some songs are indeed very folkish, especially the title song, while others are almost melodeath/doom (Majestic Beast). Sky is Mine sounds like EToS and Silver Bride has a pop-rock chorus. No, this album is not forgettable. Well, I certainly won't forget it, but that's just me.
Try listening Eclipse and afterwards this.
I hope Eclipse is better than Silent Waters, cause from the two last albums, Skyforger is the best.
Yes absolutely, under my point of view it is the best of the last 3 albums, and I did that some days ago, playing Eclipse and after that Skyforger, and I find a big difference, IMO
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MétalNoir Fils du Lys
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22.09.2009 - 16:05Rating: 8
Written by enumaelis on 22.09.2009 at 03:14
Written by MétalNoir on 21.09.2009 at 20:32
Written by enumaelis on 21.09.2009 at 04:47
Written by MétalNoir on 17.09.2009 at 02:09
I can't believe you rate Skyforger 6.4... It's an outrage, really. I'm not that much into that kind of melodic, almost popp metal usually, but this album changed that, it's probably my number one album of 2009, I can't stop listening to it and even though you stated how catchy it is and all that, I can't agree with "generic" and "all songs sound the same". Yes, the structure is pretty similar for most songs, but there is a wide variety in there. Some songs are indeed very folkish, especially the title song, while others are almost melodeath/doom (Majestic Beast). Sky is Mine sounds like EToS and Silver Bride has a pop-rock chorus. No, this album is not forgettable. Well, I certainly won't forget it, but that's just me.
Try listening Eclipse and afterwards this.
I hope Eclipse is better than Silent Waters, cause from the two last albums, Skyforger is the best.
Yes absolutely, under my point of view it is the best of the last 3 albums, and I did that some days ago, playing Eclipse and after that Skyforger, and I find a big difference, IMO
Yes, I'll certainly try Eclipse soon. As long as the vocals are as awesome as they are on SW and Skyforger, it can't be a bad album, right?
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neonxaos
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06.10.2009 - 16:11Rating: 8
Seriously think this album is a solid effort. It's easy listening, but I actually like that about it. Several of the tunes are also extremely catchy. An 8 from me.
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Agree with the rating, prob around 6.8 for me...close to good but not quite so it hovers around average. Also agree that it is forgettable for the most part, apart from Sampo, Heaven of my Heart and My Sun, the rest of the album is pretty disappointing.
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Morphis
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01.11.2009 - 17:25Rating: 8
Good review.
As an old fan of aMorphis after two brillant albuns i was expecting more from this one.
If this is the 1st album that you have listened from Amorphis you most likely give it a better ratting, but if you know the band work and all their phases from 1990 you can't give this one more than 7/10.
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ioannisk
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01.11.2009 - 23:07Rating: 8
Written by Morphis on 01.11.2009 at 17:25
Good review.
As an old fan of aMorphis after two brillant albuns i was expecting more from this one.
If this is the 1st album that you have listened from Amorphis you most likely give it a better ratting, but if you know the band work and all their phases from 1990 you can't give this one more than 7/10.
agreed 100% especially if you've listened to Elegy, Tuonela, Am universum
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Ragana Rawrcat
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IMO, the album deserves 7. I surely liked it more than "Eclipse" or "Silent Waters".
The bad thing is that, same as with all other VERY melodic music albums, this one gets boring after one has listened to it for a several times. But then again, it's always cool to listen to these albums after some time.
P.S. The poem is called "Kalevala".
And, haven't you noticed, the last two albums were all over catchy songs, so this is nothing new. 'Skyforger' just sounds a bit different.
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Uirapuru Liver Failure
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I dont know what to think. This is the most normal album i've listen to in my entire life. Good, but not so much, this album can very easily be used to describe the word ''average''.
''painfully generic'' the term used on the review was very accurate.
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Deadmeat Necrobutcher
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12.08.2010 - 12:24Rating: 9
I agree that the album is a bit safe. i dont know if they did it for commercial reasons or not but this album is really great. beautiful. i think it is the most complete album in the "trilogy". though i'd love it if it had some more "angry" songs with some more brutal vocals. but i really believe that it is amorphis most "complete" creation. it is really rare in these days to listen to an album which has as many great songs as this has..
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roger73
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25.08.2010 - 16:16Rating: 9
Hm. Same safeness and catchyness was at Eclipse. But then it was ok, because it was after "psychodelic rock" period". Everybody loved it. Why it is now bad?
This album is good, nice and yes, also versatile (if you compare "From The Heaven Of My Heart" with "Majestic Beast" with "Skyforger". I think that you don't like only because of lack of growls in more then two songs. But for me it is ok - it's not melodeath anymore, it's not psychorock - it's heavy metal from the finest
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Andreas666
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19.09.2010 - 21:36Rating: 9
Written by elven on 02.09.2009 at 00:10
Commercial? Safe? Forgettable? Generic? are we listening to the same album??? nah, dont think so, this album is simply BRILLIANT! 10/10
Thanx, absolutely true, outstanding album!
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
04.03.2011 - 22:34Rating: 10
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This is a perfect album by all means. And by the way, the last two albums, which you likes better, had lyrics based on Kalevala too, so I don't see what's the fuss about it; and they're beautiful, touching, and you should really be ashamed by comparing them to Dragonforce (whose every song starts 'on a cold winter morning', or 'a cold dark winter night' or whatever).
But, yeah, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, I just wanna support the other side of the story like all these people commenting
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Destructo
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09.04.2011 - 07:23Rating: 10
I am a newcomer to Amorphis having heard 2007's "Silent Waters", which I enjoyed. But the hype surrounding the band was immense. Felt that I needed a better album to really "get" this band. This new album delivered that for me. Quite impressed with what I've heard. Am now eagerly looking to hear there older albums especially - Tales From A Thousand Lakes" which is considered their magnum opus. I'm now definitely an Amorphis fan !!!
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
10.04.2011 - 01:11Rating: 7
Written by Destructo on 09.04.2011 at 07:23
Am now eagerly looking to hear there older albums especially - Tales From A Thousand Lakes" which is considered their magnum opus.
Have fun with that album - it's amazing.
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MetalWizard
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With out a doubt the guy that did the review on this album really missed the greatness of this album, as it was album of the year in the MS Awards!
I have listened to this album many times with different people that some of them do not even listen to Metal, and absolutely NONE of them failed to ask me, who is playing? That is the true sing of greatness, where the music is so powerful that it transcend music geners and impact the listener in such manner that he or she feels the need to know who is the creator of such sound.
Skyforger is unique, powerful, melodic, and album for the ages and one of the best metal albums ever!!
It an out of this world album that it is going to be very hard for Amorphis to top.
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joshsteph
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09.02.2015 - 22:50Rating: 9
Sampo isn't the same as Silver Bride, From The Heaven Of My Heart is not even close to Sampo or Silver Bridge. Sky Is Mine is a faster heavy metal song, not many things in common with the first 3, again. Majestic Beast is the highlight of the album (for me), again, different from the earlier ones. My Sun is a slower tune, AGAIN, different from the earlier songs and the list can go on till the end of the album. So how are "most of the songs" the same on this album is beyond me. I think you were mad at Amorphis for some reason when you wrote this review.
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Bad English Tage Westerlund
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I agree whit all what review says, not bad, but all is same and lyrics are not best either even band has no bad lyrics generally, somehow emotions was missing here.
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