Ag Fox Angel No More ElitePosts: 4774 |
26.01.2011 - 02:48Rating: 7
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My eyes popped when I saw the reviewer and the score (of course I read the whole thing). Guess I should check this out then lol
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser StaffPosts: 9718 |
26.01.2011 - 03:08Rating: 7
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Written by Ag Fox on 26.01.2011 at 02:48
My eyes popped when I saw the reviewer and the score (of course I read the whole thing). Guess I should check this out then lol
Yeah. I was shocked with how much I actually enjoyed this.
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SlaytanicGonzo
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Darkest Hour sounds pretty good, I think I'll check the rest of the album.
btw, I'm seeing them with Helloween on May. Are they good live now that Tolkki is gone?
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Why didn't you just stick with the 8.0 rating you gave this album? I don't understand the constant hatred displayed toward Power Metal.. whether it is good or bad. I find far more hideous representation of 'music' in the "death-kill-die-black" (whatever) bands. Those bands with the guttural, incomprehensible lyrics and phony thrashing guitars have made metal the looked down upon genre that it has become. Such fine role models that genre has produced.. (Varg Vik comes to mind).. please climb off your high horse dude, its supposed to ALL be Metal.
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Written by Cathaldus on 26.01.2011 at 11:14
Why didn't you just stick with the 8.0 rating you gave this album? I don't understand the constant hatred displayed toward Power Metal.. whether it is good or bad. I find far more hideous representation of 'music' in the "death-kill-die-black" (whatever) bands. Those bands with the guttural, incomprehensible lyrics and phony thrashing guitars have made metal the looked down upon genre that it has become. Such fine role models that genre has produced.. (Varg Vik comes to mind).. please climb off your high horse dude, its supposed to ALL be Metal.
You should get used to the 'It's good, but it's only Power Metal' mentality. It's just one of those inevitable things that can't be fixed yet
On a more serious note, doubt I'll pick this up now, tired of rubbish Strat albums, they're past their time.
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Mountain King K i K o
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26.01.2011 - 11:49Rating: 9
Stratovarius have a lot of good albums and they can get pretty heavy and fast. Visions is without doubt their finest moment and Infinite comes close. Polaris was good comeback, i liked half of the songs on it, and Deep Unknown deserves recognition by and metal fan even those that listen to pure crappy satanic non melodic growling metal...
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YoreLore
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Why is someone who labels a band as "flower metal" doing a review? The hatred towards one of metals most popular and established genres is tiresome. You review this album as someone who obviously does not really enjoy this music and throw in some lines for other people who are in the same boat as you, acting like Power Metal is some sort of guilty pleasure you can enjoy in secret. Awful.
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Doc G. Full Grown Hoser StaffPosts: 9718 |
26.01.2011 - 13:26Rating: 7
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Written by Cathaldus on 26.01.2011 at 11:14
Why didn't you just stick with the 8.0 rating you gave this album? I don't understand the constant hatred displayed toward Power Metal.. whether it is good or bad. I find far more hideous representation of 'music' in the "death-kill-die-black" (whatever) bands. Those bands with the guttural, incomprehensible lyrics and phony thrashing guitars have made metal the looked down upon genre that it has become. Such fine role models that genre has produced.. (Varg Vik comes to mind).. please climb off your high horse dude, its supposed to ALL be Metal.
Written by YoreLore on 26.01.2011 at 13:03
Why is someone who labels a band as "flower metal" doing a review? The hatred towards one of metals most popular and established genres is tiresome. You review this album as someone who obviously does not really enjoy this music and throw in some lines for other people who are in the same boat as you, acting like Power Metal is some sort of guilty pleasure you can enjoy in secret. Awful.
Calm down. The review is quite positive...I'm not sure what the incessant bitching and moaning is about. I thought people like yourselves could appreciate the fact that I found this a quite enjoyable album in spite of the fact that it's not a genre I'm normally into. Sorry I didn't give it a 10/10.
Perhaps you should also consider the fact that maybe, just maybe the reason I'm not terribly crazy about this genre is because of the sheer amount of generic bands I've come across using the same overused sound, not just in power metal. Though my comments regarding this genre may be rude, they're not exactly untrue, it's one of metals softer, more melodic genres, perhaps I should start pumping out dry, boring reviews that won't offend anyone.
If you've read any of my other reviews, you'll notice that I'll pick out the flaws of almost any genre, seeing as every genre has become watered down at this point. If you are indeed literate, you'll notice I comment on how Stratovarius managed to break away from these cliche's while simultaneously incorporating them into the music.
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Written by Doc G. on 26.01.2011 at 13:26
Written by Cathaldus on 26.01.2011 at 11:14
Why didn't you just stick with the 8.0 rating you gave this album? I don't understand the constant hatred displayed toward Power Metal.. whether it is good or bad. I find far more hideous representation of 'music' in the "death-kill-die-black" (whatever) bands. Those bands with the guttural, incomprehensible lyrics and phony thrashing guitars have made metal the looked down upon genre that it has become. Such fine role models that genre has produced.. (Varg Vik comes to mind).. please climb off your high horse dude, its supposed to ALL be Metal.
Written by YoreLore on 26.01.2011 at 13:03
Why is someone who labels a band as "flower metal" doing a review? The hatred towards one of metals most popular and established genres is tiresome. You review this album as someone who obviously does not really enjoy this music and throw in some lines for other people who are in the same boat as you, acting like Power Metal is some sort of guilty pleasure you can enjoy in secret. Awful.
Calm down. The review is quite positive...I'm not sure what the incessant bitching and moaning is about. I thought people like yourselves could appreciate the fact that I found this a quite enjoyable album in spite of the fact that it's not a genre I'm normally into. Sorry I didn't give it a 10/10.
Perhaps you should also consider the fact that maybe, just maybe the reason I'm not terribly crazy about this genre is because of the sheer amount of generic bands I've come across using the same overused sound, not just in power metal. Though my comments regarding this genre may be rude, they're not exactly untrue, it's one of metals softer, more melodic genres, perhaps I should start pumping out dry, boring reviews that won't offend anyone.
If you've read any of my other reviews, you'll notice that I'll pick out the flaws of almost any genre, seeing as every genre has become watered down at this point. If you are indeed literate, you'll notice I comment on how Stratovarius managed to break away from these cliche's while simultaneously incorporating them into the music.
I don't think this is a case of 'Fanboys vs Reviewer' dude. No one expects you to rate the album a 10 if you didn't think it warranted one, the issue is, as you know, the way you used language in the review to construct a pejorative way of thinking about this album. We all know the old tired argument surrounding 'European Power Metal', I think arguments arising after reading this review are inevitable, regardless of what you meant lol. It's unfortunate.
Personally, I'm taking this review at face value, being someone who likes Power Metal. I never liked Strat anyway so my opinions could be subject to bias
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Written by YoreLore on 26.01.2011 at 13:03
Why is someone who labels a band as "flower metal" doing a review? The hatred towards one of metals most popular and established genres is tiresome. You review this album as someone who obviously does not really enjoy this music and throw in some lines for other people who are in the same boat as you, acting like Power Metal is some sort of guilty pleasure you can enjoy in secret. Awful.
I do think giving someone who has a very obvious dislike for a certain genre, an album from said genre to review is a bit stupid and counter-productive. Its really no different to someone reviewing an album from a genre with which they give every band unwavering praise. I find the best reviews are from people with no pre-disposed bias to a specific genre, one way or the other. I think this review is interesting though, as Doc obviously finds quite a bit to enjoy in this album, despite the fact he doesn't normally like the genre it's from. When you take that into consideration, 8.0 is actually a great score, and high praise for the album indeed. I do find the term "flower metal" nauseating, but everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how unpalatable that might be for some to take. I don't think Doc (or anyone else for that matter) should be criticised merely for voicing their opinion. *gets off soap box*
I myself would rate the album 8.5, maybe a 9 if I was feeling generous. Stratovarius have done better, but this is the best work they've put out in many years. Nice album, and good review! xD
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Written by YoreLore on 26.01.2011 at 13:03
Why is someone who labels a band as "flower metal" doing a review? The hatred towards one of metals most popular and established genres is tiresome. You review this album as someone who obviously does not really enjoy this music and throw in some lines for other people who are in the same boat as you, acting like Power Metal is some sort of guilty pleasure you can enjoy in secret. Awful.
Lots of people consider flower metal a negative term. For me, flower metal means very happy, melodic and uplifting metal music, and I simply cannot imagine how to explain that negatively
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Baz Anderson StaffPosts: 13254 |
I would tend to agree with the comments in here. The problem is that the reviewer is trying to convince us it is a good album, yet at the same time using language that is demeaning to the genre.
Either way, it's a Stratovarius album - so it'll be boring. I've never liked the band a big amount, and don't consider them "leaders" in the slightest.
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Written by Baz Anderson on 26.01.2011 at 18:14
The problem is that the reviewer is trying to convince us it is a good album, yet at the same time using language that is demeaning to the genre.
I disagree... The problem imo is that there's too many people who can't take a joke and are too sensible about it (the joke is btw a half-true joke).
I mean... Some people seem to believe that only Power Metal is an easy target to mock at... really guys? REALLY?
Both "Black metal pandas" and "Death kitties trying to be brutal" are also a joke (Don't even get me started with Metalcore). This sort of jokes has been used in reviews (with positive ratings) about albums of completely different metal subgenres... People getting sensible about it just make Power Metal an easier target than it already is
I support this review 100% even though I never cared for Stratovarius.
This is for the guy who complained about the reviewer not liking the genre: That makes the review even better in this case because it is objective, you don't see a huge load of hate, he's being objective and not a friggin fanboy giving 9,5 or 10 like if they are some sort of candy.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
Oh noes. someone who doesn't like the genre thinks highly of this album. PERSECUTE! PERSECUTE!
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Yugosaki
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26.01.2011 - 20:57Rating: 5
I didn't liked this... It's not good album .... enjoy old albums
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Death To Posers Hate Thy King
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27.01.2011 - 00:54Rating: 8
I don't usually like pig metal, but I liked the new Mitochondrion album that came out recently.
Just kidding, it's good that your able to step out of your comfort zone and actually enjoy some power metal.
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Written by Death To Posers on 27.01.2011 at 00:54
I don't usually like pig metal, but I liked the new Mitochondrion album that came out recently.
Just kidding, it's good that your able to step out of your comfort zone and actually enjoy some power metal.
I was just about to ask what "pig metal" was, but then I seen you were only kidding. lol
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I'm amazed at the reactions, as usual when it's about power metal.
Moreso when a reviewer who doesn't like the style admits to enjoy an album.
Written by Death To Posers on 27.01.2011 at 00:54
Just kidding, it's good that your able to step out of your comfort zone and actually enjoy some power metal.
Great reaction from you, good sir.
at least YOU understood the crux of the message...
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Death To Posers Hate Thy King
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27.01.2011 - 01:10Rating: 8
Written by Angelic Storm on 27.01.2011 at 00:59
Written by Death To Posers on 27.01.2011 at 00:54
I don't usually like pig metal, but I liked the new Mitochondrion album that came out recently.
Just kidding, it's good that your able to step out of your comfort zone and actually enjoy some power metal.
I was just about to ask what "pig metal" was, but then I seen you were only kidding. lol
haha
I agree with the rating though, somewhere between 8.0 -8.5 is about right in terms of my taste.
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iaberis Advice Troll
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I like the cover.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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Written by Death To Posers on 27.01.2011 at 01:10 haha
I agree with the rating though, somewhere between 8.0 -8.5 is about right in terms of my taste.
lol xD
Yeah, I pretty much agree with it too. 8.5 is probably what I would give it.
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27.01.2011 - 15:09Rating: 10
I think I will have to write a review of my own.
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Written by iaberis on 27.01.2011 at 01:20
I like the cover.
Too bad the album doesn't match the epicness of it. I think this album is absolute shite.
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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Written by [user id=107773] on 27.01.2011 at 18:44 Too bad the album doesn't match the epicness of it. I think this album is absolute shite.
And here, we have entered the Twilight Zone.. where someone who normally hates power metal likes this album, and a power metal fan hates it. Its a strange world.. lol
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Written by Angelic Storm on 27.01.2011 at 18:55
Written by [user id=107773] on 27.01.2011 at 18:44 Too bad the album doesn't match the epicness of it. I think this album is absolute shite.
And here, we have entered the Twilight Zone.. where someone who normally hates power metal likes this album, and a power metal fan hates it. Its a strange world.. lol
Makes sense, as parallel universes are in constant motion with us :p
But yeah, I never liked Strat, always found their music incredibly boring. Destiny was brilliant, but the accepted 'good' albums such as Visions and Episode I found incredibly avergae/good lol.
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For some reason Stratovarius never caught my attention. I like a few songs but that´s it. Just for curiosity i´ve listened a few tracks of this album, but i thought they were nothing special at all.
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Nice review; actually all the positive points of view of this album made me give Stratovarius another chance; I started with this album which is surprisingly good and i have listened to quite a few Stratovarius albums these past few days (haven't listened to Stratovarius in quite a long time as I gave up on power metal, but I enjoyed listening to them; I guess I like them because there is more than just power metal in their music, they have classic metal, hard rock and even pop influences in their music, just like Heloween which I also like).
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Stratoman
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29.01.2011 - 01:50Rating: 10
Is this a review? This guy is only talking about power metal, stratovarius old sound and a shallow historical review of the band... Oh now that i see there's a couple of comments about two or three songs... Perhaps someone's just writing to piss off many people or just because he needed some attention... By the way the reviewer was generous while giving the rate if he hated the genre....
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Written by Darkside Momo on 27.01.2011 at 01:07
I'm amazed at the reactions, as usual when it's about power metal.
Powermetal and criticism don't belong to the same sentence.
Unless the reviewer gives a rating over 9 and praises the album as a masterpiece, many fans of the genre will bitch and moan about it.
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Written by X-Ray Rod on 26.01.2011 at 19:34
Both "Black metal pandas" and "Death kitties trying to be brutal" are also a joke (Don't even get me started with Metalcore). This sort of jokes has been used in reviews (with positive ratings) about albums of completely different metal subgenres... People getting sensible about it just make Power Metal an easier target than it already is
Indeed. Fans of other genres don't overreact as much as flowermetal fans.
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