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14.10.2007 - 16:40Rating: 10
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I think it's funny how everyone seems to love Altar, it's my second least favourite... my top 3 are Angel, Jesus, Raining.
Still, every song owns and this is easily one of the best albums of all time, 10/10. Pretty sweet review too
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I was really into this album for a long time, but then it just got boring. The lyrics are silly. I know that could apply to a lot of metal music (Judas Priest, anyone?) but with Slayer it's like a B-grade horror movie. They even made up a word for one of their songs. "Modulistic" is not in any dictionary that I know of. (Check out http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/modulistic to see for yourself.) Honestly, you can't get any goofier than making up words because they sound cool. I found myself laughing my head off every time I listened to Reign in Blood, so in the end I had to give it away.
Slayer might have marked their place in metal history with this album - I won't disagree with that - but I'd rather listen to Amon Amarth sing about the exploits of the Vikings. Those guys don't make up nonexistent words to sound cool. They just burn Christians alive inside the church.
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15.10.2007 - 16:00Rating: 10
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Written by [user id=22888] on 14.10.2007 at 18:46
Did you check any technical dictionaries? Carcass had tons of stuff that wasn't in normal dictionaries, but besides, sometimes making up words is cool (in this case I say yes) and most of what Slayer have here is just fun as fuck. Some of the songs are equivalent to burning Christians anyway... normally I don't think much of lyrics at all, good or bad, but I really love what's yelled on this album.
edit - I just remembered you were the one talking about stats and modulus is a mathematical term so my tech dict argument probably holds no weight
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Written by Syk on 15.10.2007 at 16:00
Written by [user id=22888] on 14.10.2007 at 18:46
Did you check any technical dictionaries? Carcass had tons of stuff that wasn't in normal dictionaries, but besides, sometimes making up words is cool (in this case I say yes) and most of what Slayer have here is just fun as fuck. Some of the songs are equivalent to burning Christians anyway... normally I don't think much of lyrics at all, good or bad, but I really love what's yelled on this album.
edit - I just remembered you were the one talking about stats and modulus is a mathematical term so my tech dict argument probably holds no weight
Well you got me there, Syk. Didn't check any technical dictionaries - so I might be off-base. Wasn't Araya a med school student before Slayer? That could explain where the word came from... Still, every time he said "modulistic terror" it gave me a serious case of the giggles. I agree the album is a LOT of fun, there's no doubt about that. I think I just listened to it too much. Carcass does the same thing with made-up words, you say? Maybe I'll try out some of their stuff.
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16.10.2007 - 06:33Rating: 10
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Written by [user id=22888] on 16.10.2007 at 06:24
Definitely, I recommend the Necroticism album first, you can search youtube for "carcass solvent" and "carcass quandary" (/jigsore/jigsaw if that doesn't work) for a couple promo vids while Forensic Clinicism/The Sanguine Article and Lavaging Expectorate of Lysergide Composition (/Compostion) are some other fantastic tunes.
Back to modulistic terror, for a long time I actually thought it was "optimistic terror"
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21.01.2008 - 22:22Rating: 10
This album is very good. One of the best album in world. Because it is, fucking so good songs.
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21.01.2008 - 23:43Rating: 10
Written by [user id=22888] on 14.10.2007 at 18:46 The lyrics are silly. I know that could apply to a lot of metal music (Judas Priest, anyone?) but with Slayer it's like a B-grade horror movie. They even made up a word for one of their songs. "Modulistic" is not in any dictionary that I know of. (Check out http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/modulistic to see for yourself.) Honestly, you can't get any goofier than making up words because they sound cool. I found myself laughing my head off every time I listened to Reign in Blood, so in the end I had to give it away.
I hate to inform you of this, but your laughter is due to your own ignorance rather than any lyrical ineptitude on Slayer's part. It shouldn't be to hard to figure out what "modulistic" means - "module" = part, component, etc. and "-istic" = "having some characteristics of." The terror in question is modulistic in nature, in keeping with the theme of the song - as the body is dismembered into components, so is the associated horror. I guess it's goofy if you normally find "big" words funny, but it's actually a typical example of the above average lyrical prowess displayed by Slayer on this album. From the punchy accuracy of lines like "Epidemic, permanent disease" to the iconic "Trapped in purgatory / A lifeless object, alive..." it's hard to find fault anywhere on Reign In Blood, least of all in the lyrics.
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Written by totaliteraliter on 21.01.2008 at 23:43
Written by [user id=22888] on 14.10.2007 at 18:46 The lyrics are silly. I know that could apply to a lot of metal music (Judas Priest, anyone?) but with Slayer it's like a B-grade horror movie. They even made up a word for one of their songs. "Modulistic" is not in any dictionary that I know of. (Check out http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/modulistic to see for yourself.) Honestly, you can't get any goofier than making up words because they sound cool. I found myself laughing my head off every time I listened to Reign in Blood, so in the end I had to give it away.
I hate to inform you of this, but your laughter is due to your own ignorance rather than any lyrical ineptitude on Slayer's part. It shouldn't be to hard to figure out what "modulistic" means - "module" = part, component, etc. and "-istic" = "having some characteristics of." The terror in question is modulistic in nature, in keeping with the theme of the song - as the body is dismembered into components, so is the associated horror. I guess it's goofy if you normally find "big" words funny, but it's actually a typical example of the above average lyrical prowess displayed by Slayer on this album. From the punchy accuracy of lines like "Epidemic, permanent disease" to the iconic "Trapped in purgatory / A lifeless object, alive..." it's hard to find fault anywhere on Reign In Blood, least of all in the lyrics.
I never said I found "fault" with the lyrics. I said I found them to be funny. Also, I didn't say "modulistic" was meaningless, I said it was made up. If I wanted, I could make up a word that had a "meaning" based on its component parts. The word still wouldn't exist in a dictionary, or as a part of the English language.
Actually, "segmentistic" (segment: verb, to separate or divide into segments) is more accurate than "modulistic" in the context of the song, but Slayer's word is the most entertaining of the two. Still, I would have gone with "carnivistic" (carnivor: noun, a flesh-eating animal) as the most fitting and amusing word for Slayer's song. How did the Slayer boys miss a great made-up word like that?
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22.01.2008 - 19:34Rating: 10
I see the concept of poetic effect is foreign to you - never mind that it took me all of ten seconds to find a handful of online dictionaries listing "-istic" as a valid suffix for "module" (and why wouldn't it be? That's how our language works). I don't know, maybe Slayer is just a bit too highbrow for you?
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Written by totaliteraliter on 22.01.2008 at 19:34
I see the concept of poetic effect is foreign to you...
Foreign? Not at all! The "poetic effect" chosen by Slayer simply did not have the desired effect upon me. Just because I fail to appreciate art does not mean that I fail to understand it.
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A handful of online dictionaries, you say? Would you mind referencing your sources so that I may be further enlightened?
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...(and why wouldn't it be? That's how our language works).
Sadly, the English language does not typically work by smashing together any two words or word segments and hoping for the best. Now if Slayer's lexical creation had entered common usage, perhaps I would be a tad more receptive to their "word." Unfortunately, seeing as Reign in Blood has been around for over 20 years and even the unabridged dictionaries have not yet noticed the genius of "modulistic," I figure that Slayer goofed up on that one. Mind you, I really should not be so harsh while the proverbial jury is still out; I am, after all, eagerly awaiting your sources.
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I see insulting somebody in a creative fashion is a bit challenging for you. What a pity. Still, it is quite amusing to see the words "Slayer" and "highbrow" used together in the same sentence. And when you respond to this, please be a gentleman and do me the courtesy of quoting my post so I can respond to your clumsy jabs in a more timely fashion. (I willingly show you the same courtesy, after all.)
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29.01.2008 - 20:59Rating: 10
Written by [user id=22888] on 29.01.2008 at 08:19 Foreign? Not at all! The "poetic effect" chosen by Slayer simply did not have the desired effect upon me. Just because I fail to appreciate art does not mean that I fail to understand it.
This (poetry) is a realm where made up (or not) words are perfectly acceptable - that one as pedestrian as "modulistic" is enough to get you giggling doesn't speak highly of your appreciation abilities. It's not that Slayer is particularly highbrow, it's that your reaction suggests that you are better acquainted with more lowbrow material - your criticisms are neither interesting nor valid in this case.
Written by [user id=22888] on 29.01.2008 at 08:19 A handful of online dictionaries, you say? Would you mind referencing your sources so that I may be further enlightened?
Wikipedia and encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com both have it redirecting to module. Seems to be some kind of scientific term as well.
Written by [user id=22888] on 29.01.2008 at 08:19 Sadly, the English language does not typically work by smashing together any two words or word segments and hoping for the best. Now if Slayer's lexical creation had entered common usage, perhaps I would be a tad more receptive to their "word." Unfortunately, seeing as Reign in Blood has been around for over 20 years and even the unabridged dictionaries have not yet noticed the genius of "modulistic," I figure that Slayer goofed up on that one. Mind you, I really should not be so harsh while the proverbial jury is still out; I am, after all, eagerly awaiting your sources.
I see the concept of poetic effect is foreign to you...
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Written by [user id=22888] on 29.01.2008 at 08:19
This (poetry) is a realm where made up (or not) words are perfectly acceptable - that one as pedestrian as "modulistic" is enough to get you giggling doesn't speak highly of your appreciation abilities.
The hilarity is not a consequence of the word itself but the context in which it is employed. Here we have these great lyrics about a cannibalistic serial killer - really satisfying, gruesome stuff - and Slayer throws in this artsy, poetic "word" that is simply not an aesthetic fit with the overall tone of the song. My appreciation abilities, as you call them, are perfectly intact. But, try as I might, I am unable to appreciate Slayer's version of poetic effect. (That's my valid opinion, and you can quote me on it.)
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It's not that Slayer is particularly highbrow, it's that your reaction suggests that you are better acquainted with more lowbrow material - your criticisms are neither interesting nor valid in this case.
On the contrary, my lack of appreciation stems from being insufficiently acquainted with all that is lowbrow. Perhaps I should be more cognizant of those "diamonds in the rough" before turning up my nose. I might also add that I am truly sorry for failing to entertain you or raise valid points. I for one am certainly having fun.
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Wikipedia and encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com both have it redirecting to module. Seems to be some kind of scientific term as well.
The redirects happen because the search engines cannot find the word in question, so they come up with the closest fit - but I'm sure you're already aware of that. I was intrigued by the last link, though. It appears the term "modulistic" is used to refer to the graphical output of cellular automata - although what precisely is being referred to is not made clear by the link. Most likely it is meant to describe some of the fractal-like features (self-similarity on different scales) that appear in the images. Computational mathematics aside, I am sure you will agree with me that those images were definitely not what Slayer had in mind when they penned their lyrics!
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Yes, well... we've already discussed that point before, haven't we?
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30.01.2008 - 06:22Rating: 10
Written by [user id=22888] on 30.01.2008 at 00:07 ...this artsy, poetic "word" that is simply not an aesthetic fit with the overall tone of the song.
I don't see how the word is artsy and poetic, I'd describe it more as clinical and electric. Look at the structure of the chorus:
Modulistic terror, a vast sadistic feast
The only way to exit is going piece by piece
"Modulistic", as previously discussed, is a rough thematic synonym for "piece by piece". So we have the song's key stanza being bracketed by parallel expressions of the main concept (with the obvious intent of reinforcing it). It's also notable that it's used as the first word in the song, making its connection to the title as intentional all the more probable. It's basic, effective, and frankly quite unremarkable which is why I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would find it inept, never mind humourously so.
Written by [user id=22888] on 30.01.2008 at 00:07 The redirects happen because the search engines cannot find the word in question, so they come up with the closest fit - but I'm sure you're already aware of that.
Is that how they work? I am presuming the fact that they have a listing for the word must count for something - since if you enter, say, "modulistical" or "segmentistic" ( ) you get nothing.
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Written by totaliteraliter on 30.01.2008 at 06:22
I don't see how the word is artsy and poetic, I'd describe it more as clinical and electric. Look at the structure of the chorus:
Modulistic terror, a vast sadistic feast
The only way to exit is going piece by piece
"Modulistic", as previously discussed, is a rough thematic synonym for "piece by piece". So we have the song's key stanza being bracketed by parallel expressions of the main concept (with the obvious intent of reinforcing it). It's also notable that it's used as the first word in the song, making its connection to the title as intentional all the more probable. It's basic, effective, and frankly quite unremarkable which is why I'm having a hard time understanding why someone would find it inept, never mind humourously so.
Good analysis. I agree with you. But I'm not about to go out of my way and adjust my sense of humour to appease your outrage. Let's face it, the whole song is over the top and absurd. That's what makes Slayer such a blast - they cut loose and write outrageous stuff. I'm sure Tom Araya and company had a good laugh when they came up with the word in the first place. Hey, Slayer still rules... it just doesn't scare me like it used to.
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My GOD!!! All this fuss over a fucking word?
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29.03.2008 - 13:41Rating: 10
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Sorry about the fuss. I have no idea why some people are offended by an opinion. It surprised me, too.
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best album of all time .. and my favourite
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29.04.2008 - 02:13Rating: 10
The first line says it all: "The greatest metal record of all time"
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is it just me or is the breakdown at 01:40 in 'Angel Of Death' the most awesome fucking sound ever recorded?
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08.10.2008 - 13:15Rating: 10
I remember picking up Reign in Blood about 2 weeks after it was released. I already owned Haunting the Chapel,Live Undead and Hell Awaits. I was eagerly waiting for the new Slayer album. First time I played it I was hooked. Angel of Death was the ultimate metal song I had ever heard. From that day forward RIB has never been absent from my playlists.
For those of you who were not around in 86 there was nothing to compare RIB to. Some folks now think the record is overrated. That 1 release changed the face of metal and separated the true headbangers from the posers.(threw that word in for nostalgia purposes)Now there are thousands of releases to choose from. RIB is rip roaring good. It influenced alot of the bands most of you listen to nowadays. Lets not forget that thrash/speed metal was still in its infancy stage. I know some folks won't like it and thats cool. People have different opinions and they should. But give credit where its do. RIB is the sperm that fertilized the Death Metal egg. Slayer is still going strong!!
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30.10.2008 - 23:01Rating: 9
I was vote number 666!!!!!
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Way too overrated. It's not better than real masterpieces like Master of Puppets, Ride the lightning, Powerslave, Painkiller and Paranoid. Not even close to be the best
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09.03.2009 - 13:00Rating: 10
Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
Way too overrated. It's not better than real masterpieces like Master of Puppets, Ride the lightning, Powerslave, Painkiller and Paranoid. Not even close to be the best
Reign In Blood is a thrash metal album, those you've mentioned are heavy except Metallica which albums are also heavy but have 3-4 thrash songs! So Reign In Blood in THRASH is a great album!
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Written by Deadmeat on 09.03.2009 at 13:00
Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
Way too overrated. It's not better than real masterpieces like Master of Puppets, Ride the lightning, Powerslave, Painkiller and Paranoid. Not even close to be the best
Reign In Blood is a thrash metal album, those you've mentioned are heavy except Metallica which albums are also heavy but have 3-4 thrash songs! So Reign In Blood in THRASH is a great album!
I understand your point but i was referring to the review. It says
"The greatest metal record of all time." Of course it is not. There are many other trash metal album e.g. Rust In Peace that are much much better than Reign in blood, Actually I agree with the 3rd review which says it has only 2 good songs jaja
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15.03.2009 - 09:06Rating: 10
Written by dreammetal on 15.03.2009 at 07:04
Written by Deadmeat on 09.03.2009 at 13:00
Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
Way too overrated. It's not better than real masterpieces like Master of Puppets, Ride the lightning, Powerslave, Painkiller and Paranoid. Not even close to be the best
Reign In Blood is a thrash metal album, those you've mentioned are heavy except Metallica which albums are also heavy but have 3-4 thrash songs! So Reign In Blood in THRASH is a great album!
I understand your point but i was referring to the review. It says
"The greatest metal record of all time." Of course it is not. There are many other trash metal album e.g. Rust In Peace that are much much better than Reign in blood, Actually I agree with the 3rd review which says it has only 2 good songs jaja
the "before 90's" thrash metal wasn't melodic. i find metallica in some albums heavier than megadeth. megadeth are very melodic or at least much more than slayer, kreator, destruction etc. i dont call them thrash. they may sometimes play a bit fast, but the feeling of their music is not aggressive as thrash should be...
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15.03.2009 - 09:22Rating: 7
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Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
the "before 90's" thrash metal wasn't melodic. i find metallica in some albums heavier than megadeth. megadeth are very melodic or at least much more than slayer, kreator, destruction etc. i dont call them thrash. they may sometimes play a bit fast, but the feeling of their music is not aggressive as thrash should be...
you mean Megadeth are not thrash, right? Cause I have the same feeling. KIMB was thrash, but then Peace Sells... heavy metal for me, So Far So Good... heavy metal, then Rust in Peace is thrash... and then you know.
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15.03.2009 - 11:59Rating: 10
Written by K✞ulu on 15.03.2009 at 09:22
Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
the "before 90's" thrash metal wasn't melodic. i find metallica in some albums heavier than megadeth. megadeth are very melodic or at least much more than slayer, kreator, destruction etc. i dont call them thrash. they may sometimes play a bit fast, but the feeling of their music is not aggressive as thrash should be...
you mean Megadeth are not thrash, right? Cause I have the same feeling. KIMB was thrash, but then Peace Sells... heavy metal for me, So Far So Good... heavy metal, then Rust in Peace is thrash... and then you know.
even rust in peace imo cannot be called "pure thrash".. also the vocals of megadeth remind me much more some heavy metal vocals than thrash.
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15.03.2009 - 12:14Rating: 7
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Written by Deadmeat on 15.03.2009 at 11:59
Written by K✞ulu on 15.03.2009 at 09:22
Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
the "before 90's" thrash metal wasn't melodic. i find metallica in some albums heavier than megadeth. megadeth are very melodic or at least much more than slayer, kreator, destruction etc. i dont call them thrash. they may sometimes play a bit fast, but the feeling of their music is not aggressive as thrash should be...
you mean Megadeth are not thrash, right? Cause I have the same feeling. KIMB was thrash, but then Peace Sells... heavy metal for me, So Far So Good... heavy metal, then Rust in Peace is thrash... and then you know.
even rust in peace imo cannot be called "pure thrash".. also the vocals of megadeth remind me much more some heavy metal vocals than thrash.
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Written by dreammetal on 08.03.2009 at 03:47
Way too overrated. It's not better than real masterpieces like Master of Puppets, Ride the lightning, Powerslave, Painkiller and Paranoid. Not even close to be the best
I agree whit you but I would drop out some non TM albums and leave 2 metallica and look somehow into Europe, I would say Sabbat from Scotland can be even better
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