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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.04.2010 at 17:19
What the fuck does Slayer have to do with death metal? Oh yeah, not a thing.
Ignore him, nick like that means he's a complete moron.
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Written by DayFly on 02.04.2010 at 17:43
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.04.2010 at 17:19
What the fuck does Slayer have to do with death metal? Oh yeah, not a thing.
Ignore him, nick like that means he's a complete moron.
Funny thing is he has SLayer amongst his favourite bands
Well, the nick doesn't make him a moron per se.
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Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.04.2010 at 17:47
Written by DayFly on 02.04.2010 at 17:43
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.04.2010 at 17:19
What the fuck does Slayer have to do with death metal? Oh yeah, not a thing.
Ignore him, nick like that means he's a complete moron.
Funny thing is he has SLayer amongst his favourite bands
Well, the nick doesn't make him a moron per se.
Well, I am kind of biased towards anyone who puts a 666 in his nick or tries to appear as transgressive as possible and this guy does both.
Putting Slayer in one's favourite bands and not liking Reign in Blood is really
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Written by DayFly on 28.07.2009 at 20:48
How anybody can dislike this album without hating thrash metal (and thereby disqualifing oneself as a reviewer for such an album) is simply beyond me. It's quite simply a masterpiece, never a boring passage, not a single dull moment. It's not suppossed to be listened on a daily basis as that can get a bit wearisome, but that applies to any music. One cannot ask more from a thrash album.
Old Slayer is among my favorites when it comes to Thrash and I like "Reign In Blood" to a certain extent, but it's not among my favorite Slayer albums.
You say "One cannot ask more from a Thrash album". Well, I'd say there is something we could ask for more and this is variety. Songs on this album are so much alike (and at the same pace all the time with very little tempo changes) if you don't pay attention you won't be sure which one you're listening to.
And that's why I prefer "Show No Mercy", "Haunting The Chapel", "Hell Awaits" and any Kreator album from "Endless Pain" to "Coma Of Souls" to Slayer's "Reign In Blood" when it comes to old school Thrash Metal.
It's an excellent album and a groundbreaking record that marked the history of extreme metal forever but it's not flawless.
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03.04.2010 - 08:07Rating: 9
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 03.04.2010 at 07:08
It's an excellent album and a groundbreaking record that marked the history of extreme metal forever but it's not flawless.
Yup, it's not flawless, I think there isn't such thing like a completely perfect album, but the problem here is not the album but the review of it, the reviewer says too many bad things about this album, but still he rates some other albums higher, even if they are not worthy of that rating, for example he rates I - Between Two Worlds with a 9.0 and and Megadeth's freaking United Aboringations with 5.9, so those albums are better than "Reign In Blood"?, even if I like "Between Two Worlds", sometimes becomes boring, I don't think "Reign In Blood" has the same problem.
Well... just my thoughts.
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Written by Daggon on 03.04.2010 at 08:07
Yup, it's not flawless, I think there isn't such thing like a completely perfect album, but the problem here is not the album but the review of it, the reviewer says too many bad things about this album, but still he rates some other albums higher, even if they are not worthy of that rating, for example he rates I - Between Two Worlds with a 9.0 and and Megadeth's freaking United Aboringations with 5.9, so those albums are better than "Reign In Blood", even if I like "Between Two Worlds", sometimes becomes boring, I don't think "Reign In Blood" has the same problem.
Well... just my thoughts.
Imo, "Reign In Blood" is immensely superior to "Between Two Worlds", which is an album I utterly dislike even if I'm a big Immortal fan. Another pointless Motorhead-sounding record, and I always hated anything that sounds remotely like Motorhead.
Quoting the reviewer: "Folks, I give you "the most overrated album of all time"... Reign In Blood."
No way. Metallica's Black Album or Blind Guardian's NIME or "Wintersun" are much more serious contenders for the title.
"Wintersun" is good but quite overrated. As for the other two, they both suck, imo. NIME is a filler-track-fest. As for the Black Album, it's commercial garbage.
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03.04.2010 - 14:56Rating: 9
Written by DayFly on 02.04.2010 at 17:51
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.04.2010 at 17:47
Written by DayFly on 02.04.2010 at 17:43
Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 02.04.2010 at 17:19
What the fuck does Slayer have to do with death metal? Oh yeah, not a thing.
Ignore him, nick like that means he's a complete moron.
Funny thing is he has SLayer amongst his favourite bands
Well, the nick doesn't make him a moron per se.
Well, I am kind of biased towards anyone who puts a 666 in his nick
Oh, is that so? Well, f**k you man!
I'm surprised how many people agree with this review. OK, Reign in Blood might be a tad overrated, but a 4.5? It should be respected for, if nothing else, historical value.
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 03.04.2010 at 07:08
Old Slayer is among my favorites when it comes to Thrash and I like "Reign In Blood" to a certain extent, but it's not among my favorite Slayer albums.
You say "One cannot ask more from a Thrash album". Well, I'd say there is something we could ask for more and this is variety. Songs on this album are so much alike (and at the same pace all the time with very little tempo changes) if you don't pay attention you won't be sure which one you're listening to.
And that's why I prefer "Show No Mercy", "Haunting The Chapel", "Hell Awaits" and any Kreator album from "Endless Pain" to "Coma Of Souls" to Slayer's "Reign In Blood" when it comes to old school Thrash Metal.
It's an excellent album and a groundbreaking record that marked the history of extreme metal forever but it's not flawless.
I am not sure what you mean with "variety". In my opinion this album offers plenty of it in terms of mood which is to me the only variety that matters. Tempo changes are just a means to that end and if a band can do without them it is all the more impressive. RiB is not flawless if one counts the vocals and perhaps the solos but I personally am never bored by it and I wouldn't change a thing about the album if given the opportunity. And honestly of all bands Kreator are the worst offenders when it comes to violent one-dimensional noise.
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Written by DayFly on 03.04.2010 at 15:34
And honestly of all bands Kreator are the worst offenders when it comes to violent one-dimensional noise.
I prefer Kreator's riffs in general. I agree that the old Kreator albums were pure uncompromising aggression (especially as vocals had more 'bite' than Slayer's vocals- it was almost Black Metal vocals) but the songs featured more tempo changes than what you can hear on RIB.
Describing Kreator as noise is not right, imo, because I think there's lots of melody but it's melodic in a raw way.
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03.04.2010 - 21:47Rating: 9
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Written by Lord_Regnier on 03.04.2010 at 14:41
Written by Daggon on 03.04.2010 at 08:07
so those albums are better than "Reign In Blood"?
Imo, "Reign In Blood" is immensely superior to "Between Two Worlds", which is an album I utterly dislike even if I'm a big Immortal fan. Another pointless Motorhead-sounding record, and I always hated anything that sounds remotely like Motorhead.
Quoting the reviewer: "Folks, I give you "the most overrated album of all time"... Reign In Blood."
No way. Metallica's Black Album or Blind Guardian's NIME or "Wintersun" are much more serious contenders for the title.
"Wintersun" is good but quite overrated. As for the other two, they both suck, imo. NIME is a filler-track-fest. As for the Black Album, it's commercial garbage.
Sorry, I missed a question mark after that phrase I also think (obviously) that "Reign In Blood" is vastly superior to those albums.
As for Wintersun, yes it's amazingly overrated, Blind Guardian's "NIME" is utterly booooring, too much fillers as you said and Metallica's mmm "Metallica" haha, it's also really boring and a shame for the band.
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I totally disagree with the review !!!
Reign In Blood is one of the best thrash albums in the world !!
Hail Slayer
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That is the funniest fucking review I've read yet on Metalstorm, at least until my Enslaved review gets put up in December. Anyone with a few working brain cells knows Reign in Blood is easily one of the heaviest, fastest, most brutal offerings ever conceived. I did enjoy the fact that the reviewer took the time to bust out a dictionary and thesaurus so that this already totally misconstrued pile of shit of a review sounded even more contrived like that of some self-absorbed witless prick.
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15.10.2010 - 07:45Rating: 9
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Uh did he actually said (Megadeth and Slayer don't deserve to be part of the big four?)
First of all, how can the words "Big Four" change your view on Thrash Metal anyway? and then, you gotta be stupid to believe that the opinion of one person as an impact on the popularity and the musical quality of one band. Oh and about the overused "Overrated" word, what does this really mean ? How can something be overrated, I mean a shit-load of people loved the album, a shit-load of people still believe this album is great and another shit-load still listen to it... so whats that, overrated??? Explain please
And im not only targeting the reviewer...
Im really disapointed by all the people posting coments here, not only because of the ratings or the album itself but all the flaming and insults throwed around, im not proud to be a metalhead when I see shits like that -_-
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6081 |
15.10.2010 - 12:21Rating: 10
I wasn't aware that this hilarious outpouring of some Slayer hater's mind found its way onto this site.
It's wrong in so many ways, that I won't even bother discussing them...
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It's funny, I was literally just listening to this, the first time in about 5 years and I found it much more enjoyable than what my mind has contorted over the years since I last tried it out.
It's quite a well written review though, just not one that many people will agree with.
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15.10.2010 - 13:01Rating: 10
Written by [user id=4365] on 15.10.2010 at 12:28
It's quite a well written review though, just not one that many people will agree with.
everyone has the right of not liking an album (on the other hand i find it stupid when i see people saying: "i used to like this album but now i almost hate it" or "listen to it for 1 or 2 years and then drop it" -hey man! you said 1-2 years or 1-2 times? cause listening an album often for 1-2 years is a long period) and i can accept it from the writer of the review. but i really think that this is not a well written review. almost no disadvantages of the album are analyzed here except that he didnt like it and that it is not as good as most people believe... imo only because of that reason it is a bad review.
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Written by Deadmeat on 15.10.2010 at 13:01
Written by [user id=4365] on 15.10.2010 at 12:28
It's quite a well written review though, just not one that many people will agree with.
everyone has the right of not liking an album (on the other hand i find it stupid when i see people saying: "i used to like this album but now i almost hate it" or "listen to it for 1 or 2 years and then drop it" -hey man! you said 1-2 years or 1-2 times? cause listening an album often for 1-2 years is a long period) and i can accept it from the writer of the review. but i really think that this is not a well written review. almost no disadvantages of the album are analyzed here except that he didnt like it and that it is not as good as most people believe... imo only because of that reason it is a bad review.
It's a problem with retrospective reviews like this: everyone knows the album and everything about it so any personal views become magnified and put under the spotlight. Because Slayer's history is so set in stone reviews like this invariably become about what the reviewer thinks, and yeah, he didn't do much to desuade me about Slayer's impact etc. To do something like that successfully you'd probably need to write a huge essay analysing every point. This is just an extended opinion of how he feels about the album really, focusing on annoyances and consistency. He probabaly shouldn't have spilled over into denouncing other bands of the big four though, not without some reasoning.
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15.10.2010 - 13:13Rating: 10
Written by [user id=4365] on 15.10.2010 at 13:08
not without some reasoning.
thats right.
on the other hand if i "hated" so much this album and wanted to show people how bullshit and overated it is i'd write a review where i'd point out all it's disadvantages in a way that the readers could understand my sense. now, i just see a man, angry at what this album has become through the years (a milestone etc...) trying to tell us without the "why part" how shitty it is. so i just believe that this is not a good review for the purpose that it has been written for...
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Written by Deadmeat on 15.10.2010 at 13:13
thats right.
on the other hand if i "hated" so much this album and wanted to show people how bullshit and overated it is i'd write a review where i'd point out all it's disadvantages in a way that the readers could understand my sense. now, i just see a man, angry at what this album has become through the years (a milestone etc...) trying to tell us without the "why part" how shitty it is. so i just believe that this is not a good review for the purpose that it has been written for...
Angry venting is a lot easier than cold analysis
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15.10.2010 - 13:18Rating: 10
Written by [user id=4365] on 15.10.2010 at 13:16
Written by Deadmeat on 15.10.2010 at 13:13
thats right.
on the other hand if i "hated" so much this album and wanted to show people how bullshit and overated it is i'd write a review where i'd point out all it's disadvantages in a way that the readers could understand my sense. now, i just see a man, angry at what this album has become through the years (a milestone etc...) trying to tell us without the "why part" how shitty it is. so i just believe that this is not a good review for the purpose that it has been written for...
Angry venting is a lot easier than cold analysis
unfortunately...
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15.10.2010 - 14:20Rating: 9
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Written by Guib on 15.10.2010 at 07:45 Oh and about the overused "Overrated" word, what does this really mean ? How can something be overrated, I mean a shit-load of people loved the album, a shit-load of people still believe this album is great and another shit-load still listen to it... so whats that, overrated??? Explain please*
Im really disapointed by all the people posting coments here, not only because of the ratings or the album itself but all the flaming and insults throwed around, im not proud to be a metalhead when I see shits like that** -_-
*I don't have anything against this album and I completely disagree with the review, but as everything popular, it is overrated. Because when a popular band releases what is generally regarded as their magnum opus (and has had a lasting influence), it obviously deserves praise, but it usually ends up becoming bloated as if it's holy, not to be questioned or even mildly disliked and of course, a tirade of banger emotes. Plus after a while you get sick of hearing about the same old albums you've heard many times.
**>implying that you should be proud because you listen to a certain genre of music
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6081 |
15.10.2010 - 16:16Rating: 10
Let me summarise this "argument" with a remark:
overything that is rated is overrated.
"Overrated" is one most abused word in the world. Every four-feet half-wit and their leper uncle uses "overrated". And it always means one thing: "it's my opinion". And nothing fucking else.
Why even bother with this word?
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15.10.2010 - 16:17Rating: 9
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Written by Daniell on 15.10.2010 at 16:16
Let me summarise this "argument" with a remark:
overything that is rated is overrated.
"Overrated" is one most abused word in the world. Every four-feet half-wit and their leper uncle uses "overrated". And it always means one thing: "it's my opinion". And nothing fucking else.
Why even bother with this word?
True, it is staggeringly overused, but in many cases it is true.
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15.10.2010 - 16:18Rating: 10
For the person that uses it, yes, but no more than that.
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15.10.2010 - 16:30Rating: 9
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Written by Daniell on 15.10.2010 at 16:18
For the person that uses it, yes, but no more than that.
Nope, some bands and albums simply are overrated.
A very done to death and obvious example would be Metallica.
On the other hand, if you were to list the "most underrated bands ever", that'd be harder to do. When praise and acclaim to a higher level than deserved is thrown around for a certain group of bands, it's really easy to tell which.
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15.10.2010 - 16:36Rating: 10
You're an obstinate one, aren't you?
Just think for a minute and tell me:
How the hell can you justify that Metallica is "overrated"? How do you measure it other than by your own opinion? What level of praise is ok, and what level warrants the "overrated" label? Believe me, it's completely pointless even to try...
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15.10.2010 - 16:48Rating: 9
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Written by Daniell on 15.10.2010 at 16:36
You're an obstinate one, aren't you?
Just think for a minute and tell me:
How the hell can you justify that Metallica is "overrated"? How do you measure it other than by your own opinion? What level of praise is ok, and what level warrants the "overrated" label? Believe me, it's completely pointless even to try...
As are you, in your pursuit of utopia where everything is opinion and you cannot argue against that.
Decline in quality, intense mainstream popularity (Metallica are really popular among newbies, including the t-shirts, up there with Iron Maiden and others), the ever continuous "first four albums" phenomenon and how they're all masterpieces, we get it. Not the same anymore, now they're a different band, much more accessible, soft and radio-friendly. (okay, Death Magnetic song lengths aren't radio-friendly, nor are St. Anger's, but accessibility and especially lower quality is evident). It's ridiculous, how is Metallica not overrated?
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15.10.2010 - 17:29Rating: 10
Written by Daniell on 15.10.2010 at 16:36
You're an obstinate one, aren't you?
Just think for a minute and tell me:
How the hell can you justify that Metallica is "overrated"? How do you measure it other than by your own opinion? What level of praise is ok, and what level warrants the "overrated" label? Believe me, it's completely pointless even to try...
i agree with vezzy here.
1) "You're an obstinate one, aren't you?"
does that mean that when you say something the others have to agree without saying a word???
2)i'll tell you something simple -i wont mention those people that think that metallica are overrated but all the others: i am at sure that most of them (cause i've been in this category for some months thinking that they are the best, hands down) if they gave so much attention to other bands out there (and not the highlighted by the media, magazines etc metallica) as they give to metallica, metallica probably wouldnt be that high now.
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15.10.2010 - 18:50Rating: 9
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-_- I so should've kept my post for myself -_-
Now look at Vezzy and Daniell...
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03.01.2011 - 01:21Rating: 10
I never really got into Slayer, but this album is one of their better ones (Probably my second favorite after the first one). It's undeniably a classic and extremely influential album.
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