Written by ArcanaHereticae on 05.12.2007 at 22:11

I heard Impending Doom is Christian. Is that true, don't bash me. I was just wondering. I rarely have listened to them.

Yes, they are. Especially with an album title like Nailed. Dead. Risen..

Written by Dane Train on 05.12.2007 at 23:23

Written by ArcanaHereticae on 05.12.2007 at 22:11

I heard Impending Doom is Christian. Is that true, don't bash me. I was just wondering. I rarely have listened to them.

Yes, they are. Especially with an album title like Nailed. Dead. Risen..

Oh. Haha. Like I said, I've only listened to them around a friend that is crazy about the band. I don't even remember whether they were good or not.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 05.12.2007 at 18:29

@Hyvaarin what do you mean by dumbing down the enitre package?

Cause when I think of dumbind down metal glam/sleaze bands are the first to spring to mind for me personally cause they really dumbed down the music (losing the initial bite metal had) AND the lyrics (my god only sex, drugs, boozing, how dumb can you get?)
Another band (which I picked from your profile) I regard as an epotomy of dumbing down metal is Manowar, just look at the image, the music (repeating themselves even mre than AC/DC) the lyrics (yaaaaaaawwwn)

So please first specify what you mean by dumbing down.

Mmmm, I think that you won't consider Black Sabbath as dumbing down although they were as Christian as they came (even in their lyrical content), now would you?

Now I think about it, "dumbing down" might have been a poor choice of words. It's a bit of a hard idea to explain (I woke up two minutes ago ), but it's about diluting the link between attitude and aesthetic. As an example, take Stryper's 'Not That Kinda Guy' - the fast, shuffling drums and squealing guitar parts are sufficiently bitchin' and sleazy that they can be considered typically hair metal. The ideas that underpin the song (chastity, unsluttiness, not giving in to carnal desires, etc.) are completely antithetical to the ideas that underpin the genre of hair/glam metal (hedonism, being off the rails, etc.). So maybe it's not "dumbing down", but the link between attitude and sound is extremely weak. The reason this sucks, I think, is that it can lead to completely worthless, uncreative music - it becomes a case of modifying the musical conventions of the genre, rather than uniquely expressing the spirit that unites bands of whatever genre applies.

And I don't consider Black Sabbath dumbed down, no. Your suggestion that "they were as Christian as they came" is debatable, though. This is discussed in the third part of the essay I linked (which, thanks to my 1337 skillz, is actually the second link in my post haha), please read it .

Written by ArcanaHereticae on 06.12.2007 at 00:52

Written by Dane Train on 05.12.2007 at 23:23

Written by ArcanaHereticae on 05.12.2007 at 22:11

I heard Impending Doom is Christian. Is that true, don't bash me. I was just wondering. I rarely have listened to them.

Yes, they are. Especially with an album title like Nailed. Dead. Risen..

Oh. Haha. Like I said, I've only listened to them around a friend that is crazy about the band. I don't even remember whether they were good or not.

From looking around, the band has recieved alot of praise, especially with that album they released. Im also kinda curious to hear it too.

Written by Hyvaarin on 06.12.2007 at 03:47

Now I think about it, "dumbing down" might have been a poor choice of words. It's a bit of a hard idea to explain (I woke up two minutes ago ), but it's about diluting the link between attitude and aesthetic. As an example, take Stryper's 'Not That Kinda Guy' - the fast, shuffling drums and squealing guitar parts are sufficiently bitchin' and sleazy that they can be considered typically hair metal. The ideas that underpin the song (chastity, unsluttiness, not giving in to carnal desires, etc.) are completely antithetical to the ideas that underpin the genre of hair/glam metal (hedonism, being off the rails, etc.)

Is there some law that says all Glam metal must be about sex, drugs and partying? What is so wrong with Stryper wanting to play that style of Metal, and give the lyrics a positive spin? On one hand they were able to bring a lot of kids who only listened to Gospel music into the Metal scene, and, on the flip side, bring many already in the Metal scene to know Jesus. Sure, maybe I am bias, but I see nothing wrong with that.

Written by Hyvaarin on 06.12.2007 at 03:47

So maybe it's not "dumbing down", but the link between attitude and sound is extremely weak. The reason this sucks, I think, is that it can lead to completely worthless, uncreative music - it becomes a case of modifying the musical conventions of the genre, rather than uniquely expressing the spirit that unites bands of whatever genre applies.

Are you saying that bands like Living Sacrifice, Extol, or Demon Hunter are uncreative? What about Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery or Sacred Warrior? Yes, I do know there are some pretty lame Christian bands out there, but that can be said for any genre, regardless of the band being Christian or not.

So, how is a band like Mortification, Living Sacrifice, Extol, Impending Doom or Saviour Machine any less of their respective genres?

Written by Hyvaarin on 06.12.2007 at 03:47

And I don't consider Black Sabbath dumbed down, no. Your suggestion that "they were as Christian as they came" is debatable, though. This is discussed in the third part of the essay I linked (which, thanks to my 1337 skillz, is actually the second link in my post haha), please read it .

Oh, and that article, was total crap. Besides the fact that must of his points were moot, his arrogant bias destroyed any validity for me to even take him seriously. His arguments were all straw man and red herrings. He did not really even dwell into the history of Christian music. His understanding of Christian doctrine was very shallow and uneducated. Basically he came across and a 13 year old who listens to way too much Slipknot.

Written by Dane Train on 06.12.2007 at 19:42

Written by Hyvaarin on 06.12.2007 at 03:47

Now I think about it, "dumbing down" might have been a poor choice of words. It's a bit of a hard idea to explain (I woke up two minutes ago ), but it's about diluting the link between attitude and aesthetic. As an example, take Stryper's 'Not That Kinda Guy' - the fast, shuffling drums and squealing guitar parts are sufficiently bitchin' and sleazy that they can be considered typically hair metal. The ideas that underpin the song (chastity, unsluttiness, not giving in to carnal desires, etc.) are completely antithetical to the ideas that underpin the genre of hair/glam metal (hedonism, being off the rails, etc.)

Is there some law that says all Glam metal must be about sex, drugs and partying? What is so wrong with Stryper wanting to play that style of Metal, and give the lyrics a positive spin? On one hand they were able to bring a lot of kids who only listened to Gospel music into the Metal scene, and, on the flip side, bring many already in the Metal scene to know Jesus. Sure, maybe I am bias, but I see nothing wrong with that.

Obviously there's no law saying that it must all be about sex, drugs, party, but when you consider the sounds of the genre (swaggering guitar, screamin' vocals, etc.) the link between the sounds and the themes is obvious. And yes, I know that interpretation of the genre's sounds is subjective and varies from person to person, but this is overwhelmingly the most common interpretation.

For me, the lyrics to 'Not That Kinda Guy' (basically "I see you tempting me, you want sex, but guess what - I'm not the kinda guy that has casual sex") are much better suited to "well-behaved", de-sexualised music. Like this.

Written by Dane Train on 06.12.2007 at 03:47

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So maybe it's not "dumbing down", but the link between attitude and sound is extremely weak. The reason this sucks, I think, is that it can lead to completely worthless, uncreative music - it becomes a case of modifying the musical conventions of the genre, rather than uniquely expressing the spirit that unites bands of whatever genre applies.

Are you saying that bands like Living Sacrifice, Extol, or Demon Hunter are uncreative? What about Dream Theater, Shadow Gallery or Sacred Warrior? Yes, I do know there are some pretty lame Christian bands out there, but that can be said for any genre, regardless of the band being Christian or not.

So, how is a band like Mortification, Living Sacrifice, Extol, Impending Doom or Saviour Machine any less of their respective genres?

I'm not saying that those bands are necessarily uncreative. I'm saying that the erosion of the link between attitude and aesthetic is dangerous. Why? Because it becomes easier to make uninspired music/easier to rip off other bands when genre definitions read more like "this genre sounds like high pitched vocals, neo-classical guitar lines often played with the minor third harmony, double-kick drumming, lyrics about dragons, battles and glory" than "this genre is about expressing the sublime, romantic peak of human achievement" or whatever. Do you get where I'm coming from here? It's almost like paint-by-numbers vs. original creation.

Written by Dane Train on 06.12.2007 at 03:47

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And I don't consider Black Sabbath dumbed down, no. Your suggestion that "they were as Christian as they came" is debatable, though. This is discussed in the third part of the essay I linked (which, thanks to my 1337 skillz, is actually the second link in my post haha), please read it .

Oh, and that article, was total crap. Besides the fact that must of his points were moot, his arrogant bias destroyed any validity for me to even take him seriously. His arguments were all straw man and red herrings. He did not really even dwell into the history of Christian music. His understanding of Christian doctrine was very shallow and uneducated. Basically he came across and a 13 year old who listens to way too much Slipknot.

Could you be more specific here? Like, actually take some of his arguments and firmly try to refute them, rather than giving your general impression of the article?

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.12.2007 at 04:37

Obviously there's no law saying that it must all be about sex, drugs, party, but when you consider the sounds of the genre (swaggering guitar, screamin' vocals, etc.) the link between the sounds and the themes is obvious. And yes, I know that interpretation of the genre's sounds is subjective and varies from person to person, but this is overwhelmingly the most common interpretation.

For me, the lyrics to 'Not That Kinda Guy' (basically "I see you tempting me, you want sex, but guess what - I'm not the kinda guy that has casual sex") are much better suited to "well-behaved", de-sexualised music. Like this.

I'm not saying that those bands are necessarily uncreative. I'm saying that the erosion of the link between attitude and aesthetic is dangerous. Why? Because it becomes easier to make uninspired music/easier to rip off other bands when genre definitions read more like "this genre sounds like high pitched vocals, neo-classical guitar lines often played with the minor third harmony, double-kick drumming, lyrics about dragons, battles and glory" than "this genre is about expressing the sublime, romantic peak of human achievement" or whatever. Do you get where I'm coming from here? It's almost like paint-by-numbers vs. original creation.

So you have given one example of Stryper and Glam Metal. What about their Heavy Metal work? Do their lyrics conflict with that sound? And what about all of the other bands out there? How about when Dream Theater has songs with Christian lyrics in them?

The whole idea behind Stryper was taking a style of music that was laden with sinful acts and try to redeem it. To shine a light in the dark, so to speak. Plus how long can one style of music stay the same until it gets boring? Isn't that what happened with Glam Metal anyway? People got sick of the sleaze and started listening a more down to earth style of music called Grunge. But interestingly, Stryper kept going, and their most recent album, Reborn, was really good. Can't say that about many other Glam bands.

But enough with Stryper, what about other bands? What about Metalcore? That genre seems to be dominated by Christian acts. It almost seems like the non-Christian bands are the ones copying the style of the Christian bands.

I still fail to see this whole "paint by numbers" thing you're talking about. The only band you keep mentioning is Stryper and their Glam Metal. What about Savior Machine, Living Sacrifice, Demon Hunter, Neal Morse, Kekal, Extol, or Tourniquet? Could you please comment on all of them and show me where they are unoriginal?

Written by Dane Train on 07.12.2007 at 05:55

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.12.2007 at 04:37

Obviously there's no law saying that it must all be about sex, drugs, party, but when you consider the sounds of the genre (swaggering guitar, screamin' vocals, etc.) the link between the sounds and the themes is obvious. And yes, I know that interpretation of the genre's sounds is subjective and varies from person to person, but this is overwhelmingly the most common interpretation.

For me, the lyrics to 'Not That Kinda Guy' (basically "I see you tempting me, you want sex, but guess what - I'm not the kinda guy that has casual sex") are much better suited to "well-behaved", de-sexualised music. Like this.

I'm not saying that those bands are necessarily uncreative. I'm saying that the erosion of the link between attitude and aesthetic is dangerous. Why? Because it becomes easier to make uninspired music/easier to rip off other bands when genre definitions read more like "this genre sounds like high pitched vocals, neo-classical guitar lines often played with the minor third harmony, double-kick drumming, lyrics about dragons, battles and glory" than "this genre is about expressing the sublime, romantic peak of human achievement" or whatever. Do you get where I'm coming from here? It's almost like paint-by-numbers vs. original creation.

So you have given one example of Stryper and Glam Metal. What about their Heavy Metal work? Do their lyrics conflict with that sound? And what about all of the other bands out there? How about when Dream Theater has songs with Christian lyrics in them?

I can't say I'm especially familiar with their heavy metal work, but I'm going to assume it's basically the same lyrical themes, but with less glam music (correct me if wrong). In that case, it's much the same deal - lyrics about giving oneself to God applied to music about freedom, danger and individualism. Doesn't sound right to me.

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The whole idea behind Stryper was taking a style of music that was laden with sinful acts and try to redeem it. To shine a light in the dark, so to speak. Plus how long can one style of music stay the same until it gets boring? Isn't that what happened with Glam Metal anyway? People got sick of the sleaze and started listening a more down to earth style of music called Grunge. But interestingly, Stryper kept going, and their most recent album, Reborn, was really good. Can't say that about many other Glam bands.

Firstly, I agree that innovation is good. Otherwise genres get stale (though I absolutely do not find the later glam bands boring at all ). However, I'd argue that when the innovation doesn't fit the original genre (in the same way that adding teetotalling/chaste lyrics to party-hard, sleazy music doesn't work), it's not a step in the right direction. Regarding your opinion of 'Reborn' (which I haven't heard, incidentally) - there are people out there that would say the exact same thing about the latest Skid Row material, etc. Stryper are not a unique band in this regard.

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But enough with Stryper, what about other bands? What about Metalcore? That genre seems to be dominated by Christian acts. It almost seems like the non-Christian bands are the ones copying the style of the Christian bands.

My experience with global metalcore is admittedly limited. I don't feel qualified to give my opinion here, sorry haha.

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I still fail to see this whole "paint by numbers" thing you're talking about. The only band you keep mentioning is Stryper and their Glam Metal. What about Savior Machine, Living Sacrifice, Demon Hunter, Neal Morse, Kekal, Extol, or Tourniquet? Could you please comment on all of them and show me where they are unoriginal?

With my 'paint by numbers' analogy, I'm trying to illustrate the weakness of music that ignores the appropriate underlying spirit and focuses instead on the aesthetic. The basic outline is already done (thanks to established musical conventions), all that's left is for the band to fill in the gaps as the please (in Stryper's case, by adding in Christian lyrics). The problem here, though, is that what is added can very easily be incongruent with the basic outline. This weakens the overall package considerably. Imagine a squeaky clean doo-wop song with lyrics about and encouraging necrophilia. It'd be gimmicky at best, offensively bad at worst.

The reason I keep mentioning Stryper is because they're the Christian band with whom I'm the most familiar. Demon Hunter are probably the only other true Christian band to whom I've had much exposure. I therefore can't comment on all of those bands and explain how they're unoriginal, but if they have an explicitly Christian message and are playing metal, it will hopefully be obvious how their message is incongruent with their music.

Kongruency is key.

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.12.2007 at 06:38

The reason I keep mentioning Stryper is because they're the Christian band with whom I'm the most familiar. Demon Hunter are probably the only other true Christian band to whom I've had much exposure. I therefore can't comment on all of those bands and explain how they're unoriginal, but if they have an explicitly Christian message and are playing metal, it will hopefully be obvious how their message is incongruent with their music.

So basically all you know of Christian Metal is one band, Stryper, who had a very shaky and public career, and your basing everything off them? I'm sorry to say, but that is just pure ignorance on your part.

There are numerous Christian bands out there, who, if no one told you they were Christian, you probably would not guess it. Immortal Souls, Place of Skulls, Living Sacrifice, Kekal, Extol, Soulfly, Sacred Warrior, Becoming the Archetype, Believer, Virgin Black, Demon Hunter and many others have very aggressive, in your face, unfriendly lyrics. This it this aggression, this passion, this attitude that drives Metal?

It really sounds to me like you just are not happy with the fact that Christians are playing Metal. Well wake up, some of the biggest bands have Christian members (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Dream Theater, Opeth). And what about some like Alice Cooper, Dave Mustain or Brian Welch?

Written by Dane Train on 07.12.2007 at 07:06

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.12.2007 at 06:38

The reason I keep mentioning Stryper is because they're the Christian band with whom I'm the most familiar. Demon Hunter are probably the only other true Christian band to whom I've had much exposure. I therefore can't comment on all of those bands and explain how they're unoriginal, but if they have an explicitly Christian message and are playing metal, it will hopefully be obvious how their message is incongruent with their music.

So basically all you know of Christian Metal is one band, Stryper, who had a very shaky and public career, and your basing everything off them? I'm sorry to say, but that is just pure ignorance on your part.

There are numerous Christian bands out there, who, if no one told you they were Christian, you probably would not guess it. Immortal Souls, Place of Skulls, Living Sacrifice, Kekal, Extol, Soulfly, Sacred Warrior, Becoming the Archetype, Believer, Virgin Black, Demon Hunter and many others have very aggressive, in your face, unfriendly lyrics. This it this aggression, this passion, this attitude that drives Metal?

It really sounds to me like you just are not happy with the fact that Christians are playing Metal. Well wake up, some of the biggest bands have Christian members (Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Dream Theater, Opeth). And what about some like Alice Cooper, Dave Mustain or Brian Welch?

I knew you'd hit me with that. I'm not "basing everything off them", I'm taking my examples from them. The basic principle of Christian music here is submitting oneself to God, yes? Is this is the main thing uniting all of those bands? If so, my being unfamiliar with the works of those other bands (and now that you mention them, I am quite familiar with Virgin Black...) is unimportant.

I am aware that all of those bands have Christian members, but thanks for the lesson anyway. And in response to your "allegation", I don't give a fuck who plays metal, I care about what they have to say and how they say it.

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.12.2007 at 07:29

I knew you'd hit me with that. I'm not "basing everything off them", I'm taking my examples from them. The basic principle of Christian music here is submitting oneself to God, yes? Is this is the main thing uniting all of those bands? If so, my being unfamiliar with the works of those other bands (and now that you mention them, I am quite familiar with Virgin Black...) is unimportant.

I am aware that all of those bands have Christian members, but thanks for the lesson anyway. And in response to your "allegation", I don't give a fuck who plays metal, I care about what they have to say and how they say it.

Each band seems to have a different approach to lyrics. There is not one central theme within Christian bands. Just looking through my own collection here are some of the themes I have come across:

Praise and Worship

Spiritual Warfare

Personal Struggles

Testimonies

Scriptural Accounts

Questioning and Doubt

Personal Spirituality

Fellowship and Communion

As you can see, there are a wide range of topics out there. In all honesty, when looking at Christian bands, using Stryper as your main example is like using Korn as you main example for all Metal.

Also, if you don't care who plays it, then what is the fuss all about? If you don't like the Christian bands, then don't listen to them. No one is forcing you to sit through an Impending Doom album, so why complain about it?

Written by [user id=24489] on 05.12.2007 at 07:21

Written by [user id=25484] on 25.09.2007 at 23:08

hahah well the way i see it is anything that is said to be christian rap/punk/rock/metal
is bullshit
cus if u read the bible ur only suppose to praise god with trumpets and some other shit
so anything that is said to be christian anything i think its bullshit

What does religion have to do with it? Im Jewish and I listen to Satanic metal..I mean it doesnt matter. If something is good; it is good. So many people can be spiritual with different beliefs and with different types of music. Its beautiful.

i didnt say it mattered what religion u were i said i think its bullshit.
and thats my belief and my opinion...theres plenty of posts on here explaining it so before u quote me do me the favor of reading all of the conversations....

Written by [user id=25484] on 09.12.2007 at 00:08

Written by [user id=24489] on 05.12.2007 at 07:21

Written by [user id=25484] on 25.09.2007 at 23:08

hahah well the way i see it is anything that is said to be christian rap/punk/rock/metal
is bullshit
cus if u read the bible ur only suppose to praise god with trumpets and some other shit
so anything that is said to be christian anything i think its bullshit

What does religion have to do with it? Im Jewish and I listen to Satanic metal..I mean it doesnt matter. If something is good; it is good. So many people can be spiritual with different beliefs and with different types of music. Its beautiful.

i didnt say it mattered what religion u were i said i think its bullshit.
and thats my belief and my opinion...theres plenty of posts on here explaining it so before u quote me do me the favor of reading all of the conversations....

Sorry..I dont have the time.

Written by [user id=24489] on 09.12.2007 at 02:30

Written by [user id=25484] on 09.12.2007 at 00:08

Written by [user id=24489] on 05.12.2007 at 07:21

Written by [user id=25484] on 25.09.2007 at 23:08

hahah well the way i see it is anything that is said to be christian rap/punk/rock/metal
is bullshit
cus if u read the bible ur only suppose to praise god with trumpets and some other shit
so anything that is said to be christian anything i think its bullshit

What does religion have to do with it? Im Jewish and I listen to Satanic metal..I mean it doesnt matter. If something is good; it is good. So many people can be spiritual with different beliefs and with different types of music. Its beautiful.

i didnt say it mattered what religion u were i said i think its bullshit.
and thats my belief and my opinion...theres plenty of posts on here explaining it so before u quote me do me the favor of reading all of the conversations....

Sorry..I dont have the time.

quit quoting me

Written by [user id=25484] on 10.12.2007 at 04:09

Written by [user id=24489] on 09.12.2007 at 02:30


Sorry..I dont have the time.

quit quoting me

If you want people to quit quoting you, might i suggest (again) not responding? if you don't post, there is nothing from them to quote.

you can't seem to let the argument drop, so why should any other poster?

seriously, if you really want to stop being quoted in this thread, stop posting in this thread. Let it go and move on elsewhere.

sorry for the hijack, Dane.

Written by BitterCOld on 10.12.2007 at 05:15

Written by [user id=25484] on 10.12.2007 at 04:09

Written by [user id=24489] on 09.12.2007 at 02:30


Sorry..I dont have the time.

quit quoting me

If you want people to quit quoting you, might i suggest (again) not responding? if you don't post, there is nothing from them to quote.

you can't seem to let the argument drop, so why should any other poster?

seriously, if you really want to stop being quoted in this thread, stop posting in this thread. Let it go and move on elsewhere.

sorry for the hijack, Dane.

well it seemed to be dropped before you quoted me...
and there is no argument....just annoying ppl that obviously dont understand what DON"T means
so just leave me alone and continue ur conversation on "christian metal"....
and DO NOT quote me!!!

Written by [user id=25484] on 10.12.2007 at 06:34

Written by BitterCOld on 10.12.2007 at 05:15

Written by [user id=25484] on 10.12.2007 at 04:09

Written by [user id=24489] on 09.12.2007 at 02:30


Sorry..I dont have the time.

quit quoting me

If you want people to quit quoting you, might i suggest (again) not responding? if you don't post, there is nothing from them to quote.

you can't seem to let the argument drop, so why should any other poster?

seriously, if you really want to stop being quoted in this thread, stop posting in this thread. Let it go and move on elsewhere.

sorry for the hijack, Dane.

well it seemed to be dropped before you quoted me...
and there is no argument....just annoying ppl that obviously dont understand what DON"T means
so just leave me alone and continue ur conversation on "christian metal"....
and DO NOT quote me!!!

dropped? it went an hour without response.

don't want me to quote you? don't freaking post here. Period. Don't respond to this one. If you respond to me, I WILL respond again in kind. Can i possibly make that clearer for you?

you came to this thread with absolutely NOTHING to offer, no input on bands, no reasonable discussion. just a lot of f-bombs and attacking of another poster. and you wonder why the other posters you try to take on haven't let you get the last word in?

obviously you learned nothing from your "vacation"...

perhaps blabbermouth is more your speed.

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dropped? it went an hour without response.

don't want me to quote you? don't freaking post here. Period. Don't respond to this one. If you respond to me, I WILL respond again in kind. Can i possibly make that clearer for you?

you came to this thread with absolutely NOTHING to offer, no input on bands, no reasonable discussion. just a lot of f-bombs and attacking of another poster. and you wonder why the other posters you try to take on haven't let you get the last word in?

obviously you learned nothing from your "vacation"...

perhaps blabbermouth is more your speed.

i came and put my input by saying i didnt like like it and i think its bullshit!
you are the one making it some retarded ass high school argument
how about taking your own FUKIN(not fbomb) advice and converse about the bands in hand...
quit spamming the thread trying to look like a know it all...!!
if my opinion bothers you that much that you feel the need to bitch about everything i say...shit i dont know what to tell you....
so fuk...go ahead and quote me...waste your own time

Written by [user id=25484] on 12.12.2007 at 19:29

i came and put my input by saying i didnt like like it and i think its bullshit!

What exactly do you mean by "bullsh*t"? I honestly don't know what your comment really means since the slang you are using seems incoherent for a description of a type of music.

Written by Dane Train on 07.12.2007 at 17:31

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.12.2007 at 07:29

I knew you'd hit me with that. I'm not "basing everything off them", I'm taking my examples from them. The basic principle of Christian music here is submitting oneself to God, yes? Is this is the main thing uniting all of those bands? If so, my being unfamiliar with the works of those other bands (and now that you mention them, I am quite familiar with Virgin Black...) is unimportant.

I am aware that all of those bands have Christian members, but thanks for the lesson anyway. And in response to your "allegation", I don't give a fuck who plays metal, I care about what they have to say and how they say it.

Each band seems to have a different approach to lyrics. There is not one central theme within Christian bands. Just looking through my own collection here are some of the themes I have come across:

Praise and Worship

Spiritual Warfare

Personal Struggles

Testimonies

Scriptural Accounts

Questioning and Doubt

Personal Spirituality

Fellowship and Communion

As you can see, there are a wide range of topics out there. In all honesty, when looking at Christian bands, using Stryper as your main example is like using Korn as you main example for all Metal.

Also, if you don't care who plays it, then what is the fuss all about? If you don't like the Christian bands, then don't listen to them. No one is forcing you to sit through an Impending Doom album, so why complain about it?

Sorry about the lateness of this reply, I lost track of everything.

Though I can appreciate that a whole bunch of lyrical topics are covered, it seems obvious to me that there is a central theme within Christian bands - redemption through Christ. But yeah, I see that there is still a lot of room with which to work here.

I don't like the bands, so I don't listen to them . No-one's forcing me to endure Christian metal, I'm here because I enjoy discussing it and related ideas haha.

?Master? - if you can't at least form a structured argument, shut up.

and ppl say thay dont understand me

Written by Bad English on 14.12.2007 at 09:45

and ppl say thay dont understand me

probably because its hard to tell what language you're speaking

Written by [user id=26136] on 14.12.2007 at 11:43

Written by Bad English on 14.12.2007 at 09:45

and ppl say thay dont understand me

probably because its hard to tell what language you're speaking

I speek in english but english slang are morer harder understand how incorect spelling ask to BitterCold

Written by Bad English on 14.12.2007 at 11:47

Written by [user id=26136] on 14.12.2007 at 11:43

Written by Bad English on 14.12.2007 at 09:45

and ppl say thay dont understand me

probably because its hard to tell what language you're speaking

I speek in english but english slang are morer harder understand how incorect spelling ask to BitterCold

okay now you lost me

LOL why ain't Black Sabbath on the list?

Written by Xaphiris on 14.12.2007 at 14:09

LOL why ain't Black Sabbath on the list?

I dunno but thay never had been satanist, maybe satan are mentioned into lyrics but thay never had been satanists specely Ozzy

The reason I asked is because there's hardly a genre called christian metal based on lyrics [sorry if that was waht the author of this thread meant]. Christian metal in my view is good Christians playing metal. Black Sabbath used to use the Christian cross as a a center-piece in their imagery and rarely blasphemed if they ever did at all.

Written by Xaphiris on 14.12.2007 at 14:23

The reason I asked is because there's hardly a genre called christian metal based on lyrics [sorry if that was waht the author of this thread meant]. Christian metal in my view is good Christians playing metal. Black Sabbath used to use the Christian cross as a a center-piece in their imagery and rarely blasphemed if they ever did at all.

Yes thay us ecross but its was idea to protect them selfs from witches who wanna se BL playing in sabbath

Does that make any difference?

Written by Xaphiris on 14.12.2007 at 14:45

Does that make any difference?

No