Written by Clintagräm on 25.10.2007 at 17:32

Alright then, tell us your opinion. Your full opinion please. On rape victims, contraception failure, and anything else dealing with abortion. What you support, what you don't, and so on.

Well, let me start out by saying that I am in favor of having abortion legal. Whether it is legal or not, people will still have them. If a woman does decide to have the operation done, I would much rather have it done right than in some 3rd rate back ally hospital.

Still, I am very much against abortion. My personal view is that a person is made at conception. Some will say it is just a mass of cells. Well so am I right now. I have a little more definition, yes, but still I am just a collection of cells.

Now to your question of rape victims. Rape is one of the worst things imaginable. Surly I do not need to go into details about it. If a child is to be conceived during this act, I still feel the child should be born. I hear all too often people saying "it is the mothers body". Well, what about the child's body?

Written by Dane Train on 25.10.2007 at 19:29

Written by Clintagräm on 25.10.2007 at 17:32

Alright then, tell us your opinion. Your full opinion please. On rape victims, contraception failure, and anything else dealing with abortion. What you support, what you don't, and so on.

Well, let me start out by saying that I am in favor of having abortion legal. Whether it is legal or not, people will still have them. If a woman does decide to have the operation done, I would much rather have it done right than in some 3rd rate back ally hospital.

Still, I am very much against abortion. My personal view is that a person is made at conception. Some will say it is just a mass of cells. Well so am I right now. I have a little more definition, yes, but still I am just a collection of cells.

Now to your question of rape victims. Rape is one of the worst things imaginable. Surly I do not need to go into details about it. If a child is to be conceived during this act, I still feel the child should be born. I hear all too often people saying "it is the mothers body". Well, what about the child's body?

Alright, thanks.

Written by Dane Train on 24.10.2007 at 21:01

Written by [user id=25764] on 24.10.2007 at 02:09

Why don't you try being raped and becoming pregnant, then we'll talk.

Im not saying it's ok to go around killing unborn children, But if you were raped, would you want to carry the child of your rapist? I think not.

That statement was a little uncalled for. I can not become pregnant, so I obviously can not understand what it is like. But we must end others exsistance because some made a horrible mistake?

No, we don't HAVE to... BUT... What do you think most women would choose?

A: to carry the child of a rapist, Or
B: have an abortion.


Im not saying it's right to go around killing children, but in some cases, I think abortions should be left up to the choice of the woman.

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 00:18


No, we don't HAVE to... BUT... What do you think most women would choose?

A: to carry the child of a rapist, Or
B: have an abortion.


Im not saying it's right to go around killing children, but in some cases, I think abortions should be left up to the choice of the woman.

I honestly do not know what most women would think. I am not most women. Heck, I am not even a women.

Written by Dane Train on 26.10.2007 at 01:11

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 00:18


No, we don't HAVE to... BUT... What do you think most women would choose?

A: to carry the child of a rapist, Or
B: have an abortion.


Im not saying it's right to go around killing children, but in some cases, I think abortions should be left up to the choice of the woman.

I honestly do not know what most women would think. I am not most women. Heck, I am not even a women.

And that's my point. you say "everybody deserves to live, and it's not the child's fault the parent may have been a rapist".. Yes, that's true, but...

In the whole general spectrum of things... More women would be more likely to want an abortion of a child resulting from rape.

It should be the womans choice. you don't have to carry the child for 9 months, so why should you get to make that choice?

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

And that's my point. you say "everybody deserves to live, and it's not the child's fault the parent may have been a rapist".. Yes, that's true, but...

Exactly, it is true. So why try and change the truth?

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

In the whole general spectrum of things... More women would be more likely to want an abortion of a child resulting from rape.

Why? Because they don't want the responsibility of taking care of another human being. Here is an idea, why don't we just kill every person who is in a nursing home. I don't really want to take care of them. Their not wanted, so let's just kill them all. Same idea as abortion.

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

It should be the womans choice. you don't have to carry the child for 9 months, so why should you get to make that choice?

Because someone needs to speak up and protect the children who can not speak for themselves.


It just amazes me how now in our world birth is optional.

and i am amazed how many people are still affected with Christian churches and their i´d say evil doctrines in nowadays world...

i totally agree with April and totally disagree with you...

i know you will never know how it is to be raped and then even found out that you are pregnant, but what if you even try to think about - "how it will be" ? would you still be saying the same? would you love such a childed and would you want to give birth to him and then take care of them?

Written by Ellrohir on 26.10.2007 at 18:45

and i am amazed how many people are still affected with Christian churches and their i´d say evil doctrines in nowadays world...

Um...what does this have to do with Christianity? Did I ever say anything about church?

Written by Dane Train on 26.10.2007 at 16:26

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

In the whole general spectrum of things... More women would be more likely to want an abortion of a child resulting from rape.

Why? Because they don't want the responsibility of taking care of another human being. Here is an idea, why don't we just kill every person who is in a nursing home. I don't really want to take care of them. Their not wanted, so let's just kill them all. Same idea as abortion.

Dane, man, you're getting out of hand. That is a COMPLETELY different situation. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU about taking responsibility. I could understand if that girl/woman used it as their own way of contraception like "Hey, I got pregnant, but I'll just have an abortion." or if they say they want to get pregnant then just change their minds. Woman who are raped and become pregnant DO NOT HAVE THAT CHOICE OF CHOOSING, it is forced upon them, in a physically and emotionally negative way.

Do you understand where I'm coming from? Yes, children should get a choice. However, that "blob of cells" wouldn't even EXIST if it wasn't for rape in a certain situation. So yes, I think that raped woman has the choice whether or not those mass of cells which she didn't decide to help create in her body (it was pretty much the rapist's choice) should either stay and grow into a bastard child in her belly or be destroyed. You're acting as if it's already a living person and that is where a lot of people go wrong. It isn't a person, whether or not you think it is or not. I THINK THAT IS COMPLETELY UP TO THE MOTHER.

However, you already agreed that there should be abortion clinics, so there isn't even any use of arguing, if only for the sake of it. It's not like we here on Metalstorm but blather about nonsense anyways.

2Dane Train : i think much...because it is exactly what you hear from them - about the "right for life for everyone" and so...and i think especially you must be highly affected by christianity in this case...

but maybe i am wrong...

Written by Ellrohir on 26.10.2007 at 21:18

2Dane Train : i think much...because it is exactly what you hear from them - about the "right for life for everyone" and so...and i think especially you must be highly affected by christianity in this case...

but maybe i am wrong...

Maybe you are. Don't assume anything. And there is no one "Christian" stance when it comes to issues like abortion.

Written by Dane Train on 26.10.2007 at 16:26

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

And that's my point. you say "everybody deserves to live, and it's not the child's fault the parent may have been a rapist".. Yes, that's true, but...

Exactly, it is true. So why try and change the truth?

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

In the whole general spectrum of things... More women would be more likely to want an abortion of a child resulting from rape.

Why? Because they don't want the responsibility of taking care of another human being. Here is an idea, why don't we just kill every person who is in a nursing home. I don't really want to take care of them. Their not wanted, so let's just kill them all. Same idea as abortion.

Written by [user id=25764] on 26.10.2007 at 16:19

It should be the womans choice. you don't have to carry the child for 9 months, so why should you get to make that choice?

Because someone needs to speak up and protect the children who can not speak for themselves.


It just amazes me how now in our world birth is optional.

What amazes me is the fact that you can sit here and rattle off hundreds of reasons why abortion is wrong, and a rape victim should not have a choice. You will never know what it is to become pregnant, So in my mind, you have no room to make that desicion for somebody.

To re-state here...

Yes.. Abortion should not be used because you got pregnant and "don't feel" like having a kid. To just go around and have abortions left and right is wrong, But...

in some cases, Abortion (to me) is an option.

With that being said, Im done talking to you, because it's obvious that no matter what I say, and how many other people agree with me, You still just want to be some sort of abortion elitist.

Good day.

Written by [user id=25764] on 02.11.2007 at 14:20

What amazes me is the fact that you can sit here and rattle off hundreds of reasons why abortion is wrong, and a rape victim should not have a choice. You will never know what it is to become pregnant, So in my mind, you have no room to make that desicion for somebody.

To re-state here...

Yes.. Abortion should not be used because you got pregnant and "don't feel" like having a kid. To just go around and have abortions left and right is wrong, But...

in some cases, Abortion (to me) is an option.

With that being said, Im done talking to you, because it's obvious that no matter what I say, and how many other people agree with me, You still just want to be some sort of abortion elitist.

Good day.

It might not be what you say, but how you say it. You really have not made any case that would sway my decision. Your whole argument is based upon womens rights. Not the best stance to take when debating a point.

Written by [user id=25764] on 02.11.2007 at 14:20

What amazes me is the fact that you can sit here and rattle off hundreds of reasons why abortion is wrong, and a rape victim should not have a choice. You will never know what it is to become pregnant, So in my mind, you have no room to make that desicion for somebody.

Even though I ultimately agree with your opinion, your argument for it sucks. It's like saying "you're not a musician, so you should have no right to review music".

Well there is an answer to the abortion controversy:
Every male upon reaching sexual maturity will be legally required to store semen samples for future reproductive use and have to undergo a vasectomy.
This way there will be no unwanted pregnancies.

And we'll have to see if men like having there bodies controlled by the government as much as women do.

And if anyone hasn't noticed, the human population has increased exponentially over the last few centuries and we are seriously draining the earth's resources. With advances in technology, humans are living longer, diseases are being cured, and infant mortality rates are being lowered. We are overcrowding the world like true parasites. Nature's population controls are being thwarted, steps need to be taken.

This ideal of "we must protect those who cannot protect themselves" is totally irrelevant to abortion. An amalgamation of cells cannot be conscious in such a primitive form (do you have any memories from the womb), unless you are a Christian supposedly. And while Christianity continues to work against the progress made in the 1900s, it continues to attempt to make its ideology the ruling doctrine of the USA, The United States of Androcentrism. From a more personal viewpoint, my grandmother was raped and she decided to keep the baby. She decided. The important thing is that she had a choice. Because honestly I believe that if a woman doesn't want to have a baby, she will find a way. It has been happening for centuries.

Written by Hyvaarin on 07.11.2007 at 12:32

Written by [user id=25764] on 02.11.2007 at 14:20

What amazes me is the fact that you can sit here and rattle off hundreds of reasons why abortion is wrong, and a rape victim should not have a choice. You will never know what it is to become pregnant, So in my mind, you have no room to make that desicion for somebody.

Even though I ultimately agree with your opinion, your argument for it sucks. It's like saying "you're not a musician, so you should have no right to review music".

Well think of the impact pregnancy has on the woman's life compared to the man. There is the huge discrepancy between the two scenarios.
A little different from music.

Pregnancy has a bigger impact of a woman's life than a man's, sure. But I fail to see how not being able to get pregnant means that a person is completely unqualified to have a valid opinion on the issue.

Written by Introspekrieg on 05.12.2007 at 15:02

This ideal of "we must protect those who cannot protect themselves" is totally irrelevant to abortion. An amalgamation of cells cannot be conscious in such a primitive form (do you have any memories from the womb), unless you are a Christian supposedly. And while Christianity continues to work against the progress made in the 1900s, it continues to attempt to make its ideology the ruling doctrine of the USA, The United States of Androcentrism. From a more personal viewpoint, my grandmother was raped and she decided to keep the baby. She decided. The important thing is that she had a choice. Because honestly I believe that if a woman doesn't want to have a baby, she will find a way. It has been happening for centuries.

I hope you do realize there are many different perspectives on abortions from Christians. There is no one "Christian perspective". And "Christianity" is not against progress, since Christianity is not a person or people.

But you do bring up a good point, whether or not abortion is legal, people will find a way to have it done.

Written by Dane Train on 05.12.2007 at 18:29


I hope you do realize there are many different perspectives on abortions from Christians. There is no one "Christian perspective". And "Christianity" is not against progress, since Christianity is not a person or people.

But you do bring up a good point, whether or not abortion is legal, people will find a way to have it done.

My apologies, I stayed up pretty late last night and kinda went on a rant. As I was falling asleep in bed I realized that no matter what anyone says, you can never convince them to change their opinions regarding abortion. Mainly because no one can ever prove the point where a person becomes a human, and because there is no all-inclusive definition of a human being. Was Terri Schiavo still alive or were we playing god keeping her alive as a vegetable? And I am truly sorry for being a jerk-off and saying those stereotypical anti-christian things. My dad's side of the family all live in the Bible belt and I was raised attending churches every Sunday, with my relatives being holier than thou on the day of rest and assholes the other six days. For this reason I may harbor a little resentment.

I also forgot to mention that my ex-girlfriend's mother had SEVEN abortions. I remember how disgusted I was upon finding this out. Sure I shouldn't let one woman change my opinion, but I have heard the statistic that 40% of abortions are second abortions. This shows a different perspective of "control," as if abortion is a means of birth control. I do not know the scenarios of each second abortion (whether they have controlling boyfriends who refuse to wear condoms) but it still just seems irresponsible.
I believe that in the US, we are lacking proper sex education and cannot believe that birth control is not covered by health insurance (but viagra is!) These factors may be responsible for many unwanted pregnancies and should be the focal point of the pro-life movement. They would save more lives by protesting health insurance companies that refuse to cover birth control and insisting that our children understand basic safe sex procedures.

hmm i think abortion is a very interesting subject and there's no way we can all agree because everybody is going to stand for what they think...i dont think i could ever kill my child, i think that would be one of the most terrible things a person can do, specially the woman...sure it takes alot of responsability but hey i think ppl shoud take responsability for their actions and abortion is just a way out...

Written by nana.MD on 06.12.2007 at 23:52

hmm i think abortion is a very interesting subject and there's no way we can all agree because everybody is going to stand for what they think...i dont think i could ever kill my child, i think that would be one of the most terrible things a person can do, specially the woman...sure it takes alot of responsability but hey i think ppl shoud take responsability for their actions and abortion is just a way out...

Of course, responsibility is destiny. But the question we always roll around to is: What about rape and/or contraception failure?

Written by nana.MD on 06.12.2007 at 23:52

i dont think i could ever kill my child

Well, the debate is whether or not it is a "child" yet. Sure it is eventually going to form one, but so are sperm.
Most men, on both sides of the abortion debate, have no problem killing potential children. Masturbation and recreational sex (without the intention of creating a child) are intentionally aborting millions of possible lives. There is no controversy (except to the Catholics) on whether a sperm is a child. It's called Androcentrism. Men at the center, women relegated to outsiders.

God created Adam first. In HIS image. Eve was made from Adam's rib. SHE tempted Adam. WOMEN are the downfall of mankind. It's all THEIR fault we have original sin. Archaic religions from androcentric times are still trying to control women. They loved the fact that the sacred rite of marriage made a woman the property of her husband. This made marital rape legal, because after all, it is HIS right to fuck his wife. It's an amazing coincidence that with the downfall of the Christian worldview, women are making progress towards equality.

Written by nana.MD on 06.12.2007 at 23:52

specially the woman...sure it takes alot of responsability but hey i think ppl shoud take responsability for their actions and abortion is just a way out...

Like I said before, how responsible can people be when uneducated about birth control? Some people think sex education will make kids more likely to have sex, and that abstinence-only is a practical teaching method ("you'll go to hell if you have sex.") So when in REALITY, people are having sex without knowing there are ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies (and STDs.)

The "Pro-Life" movement should focus more on birth control/sex education and accept the fact that people have sex before marriage, whether or not you prepare them for it.

i ahve to say, its definately not the right thing to do, its killing a small child, and its sad to think its on the rise, more and more people doing it without a thought...

Written by BurbotsRevenge on 16.12.2007 at 05:24

i ahve to say, its definately not the right thing to do, its killing a small child, and its sad to think its on the rise, more and more people doing it without a thought...

Nowdays ppl can kill his/he rmothe rbecaus eof money and ou compair for small unborn child , blame medicine ma, because in old days suchs thinks didnt hepened

I am glad that I life in a country were the right of abortion will always be there.
to qoute a famous dutch line what women wrote on their bellys during demonstrations "baas over eigen buik" wich means "boss over own belly"
wich I agree women should always have this right.

I think abortion is wrong because i would hate to kill my child and it may be my only chance to have a child ever again. People have their reasons to have an abortion. I mean something could be wrong with the baby and it was dying and could not be fixed or anything but getting an abortion just because yo dont want the kid is kind like murdering someone in a way. If i fell pregnant by accident i would NEVER get an abortion coz i would feel sick knowing that i have killed someone.

Written by Clintagräm on 15.12.2007 at 02:04

Written by nana.MD on 06.12.2007 at 23:52

hmm i think abortion is a very interesting subject and there's no way we can all agree because everybody is going to stand for what they think...i dont think i could ever kill my child, i think that would be one of the most terrible things a person can do, specially the woman...sure it takes alot of responsability but hey i think ppl shoud take responsability for their actions and abortion is just a way out...

Of course, responsibility is destiny. But the question we always roll around to is: What about rape and/or contraception failure?

...rape? ok that's a difficult thing to talk about too...is the child guilty about that? of course not, im not telling u should keep the baby, there's always adoption...do u know how many want to have babies and they cant??

@ Introspekrieg: ...a new human being becomes since the fusion of 2 gametes, not the sperm or the ovum by itself, that's the way it is...

...women?? are the downfall of mankind?? what would the mankind do without women?? not a thing...let's face it we need eachother even if u dont like that...plus i dont know but i can't truly believe in that whole adan & eve story, we don't know if it's true i wont question ur believes, im just saying that doesn't convince me at all...besides no man has right over his husband, marriage is not like buying a house or a property, it's more than that...

...i agree sex education is quite important and yes it can be the answer, but hey that stuff has to come first from home...parents have to talk about sex and birth control with their children too and most of the time they dont...

Written by nana.MD on 03.01.2008 at 02:08

Written by Clintagräm on 15.12.2007 at 02:04

Written by nana.MD on 06.12.2007 at 23:52

hmm i think abortion is a very interesting subject and there's no way we can all agree because everybody is going to stand for what they think...i dont think i could ever kill my child, i think that would be one of the most terrible things a person can do, specially the woman...sure it takes alot of responsability but hey i think ppl shoud take responsability for their actions and abortion is just a way out...

Of course, responsibility is destiny. But the question we always roll around to is: What about rape and/or contraception failure?

...rape? ok that's a difficult thing to talk about too...is the child guilty about that? of course not, im not telling u should keep the baby, there's always adoption...do u know how many want to have babies and they cant??

That is always indeed a valid argument.

in my opinion, i really cant make up my mind, i think it has both positives and negatives

positives being it can prevent having to have a kid, most people these days i guess dont want kids, so for them, abortion is one of there best options, to them

or if (like somone stated before) is too young, such as at the age of 15, then in most cases abortion is once again the best option, to them
or rape, its not like you had a say in things

on the negative side of things

it isnt really your life to take, no they cant respond, but yes they are still technically alive

also it can be illegal, therefore another big no no


here is australia it is illegal, so i would assume people are going overseas to get the abortion

i guess that there should be more advertising about this sort of thing for awareness for if you do go through with it, the reprucussions of doing so, i think should be displayed in a graphic manner

this is just my opinion, but it has been good reading everyone elses