Written by TheMAGAmvm on 16.03.2016 at 13:05

Nice review. Though Moldova, and especially Bukovina, are not quite in the Balkan Peninsula. Maybe you refer to historical and cultural influence.

Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 16.03.2016 at 16:28

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 16.03.2016 at 13:05

Nice review. Though Moldova, and especially Bukovina, are not quite in the Balkan Peninsula. Maybe you refer to historical and cultural influence.

That's one reason why I have so few notes about the regions. Romania counts, at least mostly, but Bukovina being at the very northern tip of Romania, and then half in Ukraine/Moldova

Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 16.03.2016 at 16:28

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 16.03.2016 at 13:05

Nice review. Though Moldova, and especially Bukovina, are not quite in the Balkan Peninsula. Maybe you refer to historical and cultural influence.

That's one reason why I have so few notes about the regions. Romania counts, at least mostly, but Bukovina being at the very northern tip of Romania, and then half in Ukraine/Moldova, does largely set it outside the purview of a Balkan society class. For historical and cultural influence, however, it is worth mentioning.

Written by Vitaliss on 16.03.2016 at 18:09

What do you mean by "much nicer than Wallachia"???
I live in Valahia (Wallachia).... and is the best goddamn region of Romania

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 16.03.2016 at 17:17

Bukovina did not exist as a standalone province before the Austrian annexation in the 18th century. It was just a part of Moldova. Within the Austrian administration it started to change. Minorities were brought there such as Germans, Rusyns, Jews, Hungarians, Ukrainians, etc. The first time this name was mentioned was in 1775. Moldova existed for 400 years before this name was mentioned and it included this region entirely. Anyway, that multicultural aspect gave it a sort of original identity. But those living in Bukovina are no different than ordinary Moldovans which are one and the same people with Romanians.

Written by [user id=17278] on 16.03.2016 at 16:42

Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 16.03.2016 at 16:28

half in Ukraine/Moldova

half of Bucovina is in Ukraine, none of it is in Moldova

Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 16.03.2016 at 18:32

It's growing increasingly apparent, but I don't have the strongest grasp on Romanian/Ukrainian/Moldovan/Moldavian/Habsburg geography. It's also not the sort of thing I usually research before writing a review, although I brought it up in the first place... Anyway, I had a very difficult time finding out who owned Bukovina when, largely due to what ManiacBlasphemer mentioned, and also to the lack of useful maps. At least now I know what not to say or imply in my next Bucovina review.

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 16.03.2016 at 19:31

Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 16.03.2016 at 18:32

It's growing increasingly apparent, but I don't have the strongest grasp on Romanian/Ukrainian/Moldovan/Moldavian/Habsburg geography. It's also not the sort of thing I usually research before writing a review, although I brought it up in the first place... Anyway, I had a very difficult time finding out who owned Bukovina when, largely due to what ManiacBlasphemer mentioned, and also to the lack of useful maps. At least now I know what not to say or imply in my next Bucovina review.

There is a good map on wikipedia that shows how Moldova changed over the cource of 700 years. it shows it in 3 stages: the Turkish occupation of Basarabia (currently Bugeac), the first and second partition when Bukovina was incorporated into the Austrian Empire and Bessarabia into the Russian Empire, and the current situation. Ukraine currently owns Northern Bukovina, the Northern part of Moldova and the Herta County. Bugeac is also part of Ukraine.

There are some confusions regarding Basarabia (the Southern part of Moldova) and Bessarabia, which designates the territory between Prut and Dniester rivers. The Southern part of Moldova was named Basarabia because it was owned by the dynasty of Basarab, the rulers of Wallachia, before Moldova conquered it. Russians extended the name of the region for the entire Eastern part between Prut and Dniester during the 1812 - 1918 occupation. Both Bukovina and Bessarabia are province names created when they were occupied by foreign powers. Previously, they did not exist, or they did but under other circumstances.

Written by Bad English on 16.03.2016 at 22:27

After Negura Bunget went from BM to folk , (not metal type of folk) and many bands seems turns to that direction. Only bands what stands out from Ro BM is Those from the sixes (damn weird name in Romanian) only Romanians can understand and take higher this band IMO.

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 17.03.2016 at 00:23

Written by Bad English on 16.03.2016 at 22:27

After Negura Bunget went from BM to folk , (not metal type of folk) and many bands seems turns to that direction. Only bands what stands out from Ro BM is Those from the sixes (damn weird name in Romanian) only Romanians can understand and take higher this band IMO.

Which one do you mean? Syn Ze Sase Tri?

Written by Bad English on 17.03.2016 at 00:42

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 17.03.2016 at 00:23

Written by Bad English on 16.03.2016 at 22:27

After Negura Bunget went from BM to folk , (not metal type of folk) and many bands seems turns to that direction. Only bands what stands out from Ro BM is Those from the sixes (damn weird name in Romanian) only Romanians can understand and take higher this band IMO.

Which one do you mean? Syn Ze Sase Tri?

yes, I didn't want to try spell it in Romanian, I like that band. Discovered thanks to ms

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 16.03.2016 at 19:31

Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 16.03.2016 at 18:32

It's growing increasingly apparent, but I don't have the strongest grasp on Romanian/Ukrainian/Moldovan/Moldavian/Habsburg geography. It's also not the sort of thing I usually research before writing a review, although I brought it up in the first place... Anyway, I had a very difficult time finding out who owned Bukovina when, largely due to what ManiacBlasphemer mentioned, and also to the lack of useful maps. At least now I know what not to say or imply in my next Bucovina review.

There is a good map on wikipedia that shows how Moldova changed over the cource of 700 years. it shows it in 3 stages: the Turkish occupation of Basarabia (currently Bugeac), the first and second partition when Bukovina was incorporated into the Austrian Empire and Bessarabia into the Russian Empire, and the current situation. Ukraine currently owns Northern Bukovina, the Northern part of Moldova and the Herta County. Bugeac is also part of Ukraine.

There are some confusions regarding Basarabia (the Southern part of Moldova) and Bessarabia, which designates the territory between Prut and Dniester rivers. The Southern part of Moldova was named Basarabia because it was owned by the dynasty of Basarab, the rulers of Wallachia, before Moldova conquered it. Russians extended the name of the region for the entire Eastern part between Prut and Dniester during the 1812 - 1918 occupation. Both Bukovina and Bessarabia are province names created when they were occupied by foreign powers. Previously, they did not exist, or they did but under other circumstances.

Written by RaduP on 17.03.2016 at 20:53

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Try Argus Megere and Ordinul Negru's latest albums. Both Black Metal bands that only gained some maturity in their last album, also higher production standards.

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 17.03.2016 at 00:23

Written by Bad English on 16.03.2016 at 22:27

After Negura Bunget went from BM to folk , (not metal type of folk) and many bands seems turns to that direction. Only bands what stands out from Ro BM is Those from the sixes (damn weird name in Romanian) only Romanians can understand and take higher this band IMO.

Which one do you mean? Syn Ze Sase Tri? They are pretty good, but like a second rate BM band compared to Negura or Dordeduh. Romanian metal bands have few to offer in terms of innovation. We can only present our version of metal filtered through our folklore (which is the most original thing we possess). In rock music we had Phoenix, the most original rock band from Romania IMO. In metal we have like 3-4. The rest easily copied a trend, plagiarized the repertoire of international acts or just went with the flow. And because there is very little support for this genre in Romania, very few bands can make it. Negura is an exception. God knows how the fuck they managed to get their hands on a great management and PR at a time when they did not exist in this country. The very concept was known, but it took years to be understood and utilized. And in typical latino fashion, there is a lot of bad blood, lack of solidarity and bloated and uncontrolled egos within this scene. This can be easily spotted because of the very few collaborations and split albums/EPs between Romanian metal/rock bands. Sometimes I ask myself, why this insane rivalry? Most of these bands always loose more money than gain. Selling records in Romania is a no-go. Payments from concerts are few and they barely cover travelling costs. But the pride is huge.

Written by RaduP on 17.03.2016 at 21:07

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 17.03.2016 at 00:23

Written by Bad English on 16.03.2016 at 22:27

After Negura Bunget went from BM to folk , (not metal type of folk) and many bands seems turns to that direction. Only bands what stands out from Ro BM is Those from the sixes (damn weird name in Romanian) only Romanians can understand and take higher this band IMO.

Which one do you mean? Syn Ze Sase Tri? They are pretty good, but like a second rate BM band compared to Negura or Dordeduh. Romanian metal bands have few to offer in terms of innovation. We can only present our version of metal filtered through our folklore (which is the most original thing we possess). In rock music we had Phoenix, the most original rock band from Romania IMO. In metal we have like 3-4. The rest easily copied a trend, plagiarized the repertoire of international acts or just went with the flow. And because there is very little support for this genre in Romania, very few bands can make it. Negura is an exception. God knows how the fuck they managed to get their hands on a great management and PR at a time when they did not exist in this country. The very concept was known, but it took years to be understood and utilized. And in typical latino fashion, there is a lot of bad blood, lack of solidarity and bloated and uncontrolled egos within this scene. This can be easily spotted because of the very few collaborations and split albums/EPs between Romanian metal/rock bands. Sometimes I ask myself, why this insane rivalry? Most of these bands always loose more money than gain. Selling records in Romania is a no-go. Payments from concerts are few and they barely cover travelling costs. But the pride is huge.

Phoenix surely had a major influence on romanian metal, both by the heaviness (by that period's standards) and by the folkloric emphasis that so many bands have in today's scene.

Here's some songs for people who haven't heard of them yet. Open a bottle of palinka and enjoy:


From 1972's "Cei ce ne-au dat nume"


From 1974's "Mugur de fluier"


From 1975's "Cantofabule"

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 17.03.2016 at 21:19


Can't see videos in your post, so I corrected them in this quote.

P.S. Don't put the whole video link between the code brackets. Place only the letters after the '=' sign.

Written by angel_heart on 18.03.2016 at 17:34

Bucovina themselves clearly draw their inspiration from Phoenix.

Written by angel_heart on 18.03.2016 at 17:34

Bucovina themselves clearly draw their inspiration from Phoenix.

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 18.03.2016 at 19:07

Written by angel_heart on 18.03.2016 at 17:34

Bucovina themselves clearly draw their inspiration from Phoenix.

It's as clearly as night and day. Bucovina is like the heavier version of Phoneix. Less progressive though. They are like straight up folk, whereas Phoenix was more subtle, belonging a more prog folk rock category. Just listen to that song, "Negru Voda Balada". Jazzy, proggy, free improvisation stuff. Typical for that time if we put it in an European perspective.

Written by RaduP on 20.03.2016 at 10:51

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 18.03.2016 at 19:07

Written by angel_heart on 18.03.2016 at 17:34

Bucovina themselves clearly draw their inspiration from Phoenix.

It's as clearly as night and day. Bucovina is like the heavier version of Phoneix. Less progressive though. They are like straight up folk, whereas Phoenix was more subtle, belonging a more prog folk rock category. Just listen to that song, "Negru Voda Balada". Jazzy, proggy, free improvisation stuff. Typical for that time if we put it in an European perspective.

Which is why I find Bucovina slightly disappointing. They promised a lot for their follow-up to "Sub Stele" and I don't feel like they really delivered. It just sounds like "Sub Stele Part 2". All the previous albums had a distinctive sound up until now. I really wish they'd also draw the prog influence from Phoenix too. I've been trying to convince them to write a 10 minute song, but to no avail

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 20.03.2016 at 12:31

Written by RaduP on 20.03.2016 at 10:51

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 18.03.2016 at 19:07

Written by angel_heart on 18.03.2016 at 17:34

Bucovina themselves clearly draw their inspiration from Phoenix.

It's as clearly as night and day. Bucovina is like the heavier version of Phoneix. Less progressive though. They are like straight up folk, whereas Phoenix was more subtle, belonging a more prog folk rock category. Just listen to that song, "Negru Voda Balada". Jazzy, proggy, free improvisation stuff. Typical for that time if we put it in an European perspective.

Which is why I find Bucovina slightly disappointing. They promised a lot for their follow-up to "Sub Stele" and I don't feel like they really delivered. It just sounds like "Sub Stele Part 2". All the previous albums had a distinctive sound up until now. I really wish they'd also draw the prog influence from Phoenix too. I've been trying to convince them to write a 10 minute song, but to no avail

I don't think they skilled as musicians as the Phoenix guys were. For a while, Phoenix pretty much gathered the elite of the Romanian rock scene. Playing real prog is very challenging. I would not convince them to write a 10 minute song unless these guys are capable to be interesting for a 10 minute song. Maybe their lack of confidence, or the fact that they know their extent and limits of their musical skills prevents them to make that one step further.

Written by RaduP on 20.03.2016 at 10:51

Written by TheMAGAmvm on 18.03.2016 at 19:07

Written by angel_heart on 18.03.2016 at 17:34

Bucovina themselves clearly draw their inspiration from Phoenix.

It's as clearly as night and day. Bucovina is like the heavier version of Phoneix. Less progressive though. They are like straight up folk, whereas Phoenix was more subtle, belonging a more prog folk rock category. Just listen to that song, "Negru Voda Balada". Jazzy, proggy, free improvisation stuff. Typical for that time if we put it in an European perspective.

Which is why I find Bucovina slightly disappointing. They promised a lot for their follow-up to "Sub Stele" and I don't feel like they really delivered. It just sounds like "Sub Stele Part 2". All the previous albums had a distinctive sound up until now. I really wish they'd also draw the prog influence from Phoenix too. I've been trying to convince them to write a 10 minute song, but to no avail