M C Vice ex-polydactyl
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I take it the singer made a full recovery from her knife attack then. Good to hear.
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"I'll fight you on one condition. That you lower your nipples."
" 'Tis a lie! Thy backside is whole and ungobbled, thou ungrateful whelp!"
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flightoficarus Stamp Tramp
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I received a hard copy in the mail of this and was highly confused. I'm not entirely sure what to make of it.
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Hearing it right now bc of this review, it sounds like a Otep/Lacuna Coil mix maybe a bit more harsh (particularly the female vocalist). It has a few electronics in it which suits it very well. But overall i don't think it deserves such a high number 9.8. I'd go as high as 7 on this one. Good modern metal, and it's a cool soundtrack while playing videogames!
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DahliaRock
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The score of this review feels like an endless nudge attack accompanied with an "ooh ooh hey ooh hey hey I love this band hey check them out hey holy shit hey listen hey will you listen please this is really good hey you're missing this look you'll really regret it".. I hope this really is the masterpiece you have promised with your score (please don't come to me with a "hey not everyone will like this album" diss) because I can't accept an official reviewer let their fandomism get the best of their non-biased judgement..
fingers crossed, diving in..
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ScreamingSteelUS Editor-in-Chief AdminPosts: 6082 |
19.04.2016 - 17:39Rating: 9
Written by DahliaRock on 19.04.2016 at 14:17
The score of this review feels like an endless nudge attack accompanied with an "ooh ooh hey ooh hey hey I love this band hey check them out hey holy shit hey listen hey will you listen please this is really good hey you're missing this look you'll really regret it".. I hope this really is the masterpiece you have promised with your score (please don't come to me with a "hey not everyone will like this album" diss) because I can't accept an official reviewer let their fandomism get the best of their non-biased judgement..
fingers crossed, diving in..
The problem, then, is that you have placed too much emphasis on the score. I admit that it's hard not to immediately fly to the score when it's a 9.8, which is obviously a bold statement, but that score can never be anything but wholly subjective. Only in the review itself can you find anything approaching objectivity, and if you have found a reviewer somewhere who actually displays "non-biased judgment," then I encourage you to comment here.
You might be able to tell, either from this Slot review, my last Slot review, the Slot review before that, my album ratings, or the position of The SLoT in my list of favorite bands, that this is my favorite band. Reviewing your favorite band can be a very dangerous thing, because you may entirely lack the vocabulary to contextualize or critique the new album, and I admit that I have done better reviews before that contained more useful information about the albums in question. Still, what was I to do - not review the new album by my favorite band? I like my favorite band.
Frankly, with the absurd number of 10s you've been shelling out, I'd be awfully surprised if you didn't love this album. Realistically, you won't like it as much as I do, but there's no way for me to avoid awarding it such a high rating (at least, not if I plan to be an honest reviewer) anymore than there is a way for readers to avoid being skeptical about or annoyed by that high rating.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6120 |
Written by DahliaRock on 19.04.2016 at 14:17
The score of this review feels like an endless nudge attack accompanied with an "ooh ooh hey ooh hey hey I love this band hey check them out hey holy shit hey listen hey will you listen please this is really good hey you're missing this look you'll really regret it".. I hope this really is the masterpiece you have promised with your score (please don't come to me with a "hey not everyone will like this album" diss) because I can't accept an official reviewer let their fandomism get the best of their non-biased judgement..
fingers crossed, diving in..
Hey, not everyone will like this album!
But seriously. This review, like any other review is one man's opinion. The rating is that man's rating, and no one else's. Don't read too much into it. Listen and form your own opinion.
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Bones222
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Read the review and instantly went and checked out this band... I consistently refer to Metal Storm for new releases and somewhat rely on reviewers to give a fair and broad appraisal of albums, being subjective is well and good but there is no way this album is at 9.8. I appreciate the reviewers opinion but surely your role here is to give realistic expectations to Metal Storm users? Just my two cents, but this album comes across as mediocre and borderline commercial at best...horns \m/!
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Risto Wandering Midget
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Written by Bones222 on 20.04.2016 at 14:39
I appreciate the reviewers opinion but surely your role here is to give realistic expectations to Metal Storm users?
Nah, opinion's an opinion. One review on another site gave the new Dynazty album 9.5 and I turned it off after three tracks, so I can kind of relate
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Danny Thomas
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Liked it, then the vocals came in; paused and processed. I'm really not sure how to take it yet. on track 4 and trying to give the entire album a chance before I bail or make judgement. It certainly appears that it is going to be hit or miss for a lot of people.
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Danny Thomas
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Written by [user id=104220] on 17.04.2016 at 16:15
Hearing it right now bc of this review, it sounds like a Otep/Lacuna Coil mix maybe a bit more harsh (particularly the female vocalist). It has a few electronics in it which suits it very well. But overall i don't think it deserves such a high number 9.8. I'd go as high as 7 on this one. Good modern metal, and it's a cool soundtrack while playing videogames!
very good description with the otep/lacuna coil mix. it went back and forth between sounding like a decent anime soundtrack to even parts where I was like "if Mikael Stanne did the vocals, it would remind me of a dark tranquillity song" but then a few seconds later not at all. I'm having a hard time determining if I like this. there are sections of many of the songs that I very much enjoy, then other parts not so much. Sometimes I like the vocals and sometimes they turn me off. Maybe it's one of those "give it multiple listens and it will grow on you" type albums.
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DahliaRock
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Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 19.04.2016 at 17:39
The problem, then, is that you have placed too much emphasis on the score.
when you first arrive in metalstorm, the very first thing you see, right there on the top, is a list of albums, with a big score, jumping around to grab your attention. If the emphasis is not the score then the design should be changed and the numeric scores should be removed altogether.
I do place a lot of emphasis on the score given by the official reviewers because I mostly have the time to skim, have discovered a lot of great bands just after seeing their score and the reviewer. So if a reviewer says it's shit, I skip that album altogether unless I see a good score on another publication I trust. So yes, score exists, hence does have an equal amount of importance as the written review.
I am a huge fan of Porcupine Tree, for example, and it's oh so heartwarming to give their masterpieces straight 10s, but then I'm not reviewing an album or guiding the readers in the right direction, I'm just pointing out a pick (and I assume that's what the staff pick was implemented for). Unlike a lot of people (like, A LOT) I found too many flaws in the "Fear of a Blank Planet" no matter how brilliant the production is nor how sentimental the whole theme might be. Even if I reviewed my all time favorite, "In Absentia", I wouldn't dare give it a score like 9.8, no matter how big an impact it had on my life. That's not reviewing imho, that's just hollering to people who might be interested.
Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 19.04.2016 at 17:39
Frankly, with the absurd number of 10s you've been shelling out, I'd be awfully surprised if you didn't love this album.
really? was this lame comparison really necessary? I'm not going to resort to a "who are you to judge"-ish answer, but look.. I am not an writer or a reviewer on this site, I am part of the community. and it's not my duty to fine tune my ratings; I just take the albums that I genuinely love and with my upvote I poll in my opinion of what the album's worth is. It becomes an average of what other people think of it.. and that score becomes a guideline for those that dig into that album or band.. our score doesn't glow in the eye of the reader, reforming their opinion. I hope you're getting that I'm not opposing your score of having a band as a favorite, but your approach to the existing system in general. If other reviewers start to say "hey let's just give 10s or 0s" and act upon it, then the credibility of the reviews and the functionality of the website decreases amongst the community (not that anybody that can ever step in the boundaries of metalstorm can ever step out) and everything I'm saying is to make sure we keep the cogs intact.
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ScreamingSteelUS Editor-in-Chief AdminPosts: 6082 |
22.04.2016 - 00:20Rating: 9
Written by DahliaRock on 21.04.2016 at 16:34
Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 19.04.2016 at 17:39
The problem, then, is that you have placed too much emphasis on the score.
when you first arrive in metalstorm, the very first thing you see, right there on the top, is a list of albums, with a big score, jumping around to grab your attention. If the emphasis is not the score then the design should be changed and the numeric scores should be removed altogether.
I do place a lot of emphasis on the score given by the official reviewers because I mostly have the time to skim, have discovered a lot of great bands just after seeing their score and the reviewer. So if a reviewer says it's shit, I skip that album altogether unless I see a good score on another publication I trust. So yes, score exists, hence does have an equal amount of importance as the written review.
I am a huge fan of Porcupine Tree, for example, and it's oh so heartwarming to give their masterpieces straight 10s, but then I'm not reviewing an album or guiding the readers in the right direction, I'm just pointing out a pick (and I assume that's what the staff pick was implemented for). Unlike a lot of people (like, A LOT) I found too many flaws in the "Fear of a Blank Planet" no matter how brilliant the production is nor how sentimental the whole theme might be. Even if I reviewed my all time favorite, "In Absentia", I wouldn't dare give it a score like 9.8, no matter how big an impact it had on my life. That's not reviewing imho, that's just hollering to people who might be interested.
Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 19.04.2016 at 17:39
Frankly, with the absurd number of 10s you've been shelling out, I'd be awfully surprised if you didn't love this album.
really? was this lame comparison really necessary? I'm not going to resort to a "who are you to judge"-ish answer, but look.. I am not an writer or a reviewer on this site, I am part of the community. and it's not my duty to fine tune my ratings; I just take the albums that I genuinely love and with my upvote I poll in my opinion of what the album's worth is. It becomes an average of what other people think of it.. and that score becomes a guideline for those that dig into that album or band.. our score doesn't glow in the eye of the reader, reforming their opinion. I hope you're getting that I'm not opposing your score of having a band as a favorite, but your approach to the existing system in general. If other reviewers start to say "hey let's just give 10s or 0s" and act upon it, then the credibility of the reviews and the functionality of the website decreases amongst the community (not that anybody that can ever step in the boundaries of metalstorm can ever step out) and everything I'm saying is to make sure we keep the cogs intact.
The score is not unimportant, but neither is it the most important. "Hollering to people who might be interested" is, in fact, one of the main purposes of reviewing. You might even say that it's the only meaningful purpose of reviewing, since reviewing without intending to invite or warn potential listeners is nothing more than reviewing for the sake of reviewing. Reviewing for its own sake benefits only the reviewer, if even that, and maybe makes the band feel nice (or terrible). That is not to say that I have exaggerated my feelings about the album for the express purpose of attracting potential listeners, because I haven't, but neither would I restrain my feelings about an album out of fear that I was misrepresenting an album to readers.
What would you have me do, anyway - not give this album the score that I feel it deserves? Rate the album based on how I expect other people will or should perceive it? Remove my personal opinion from the listening experience entirely and attempt to construct some "objective" score based on a system of criteria that are just as ultimately subjective as those criteria which I use in my own mind? The implications of trying to maintain some manufactured idea of credibility and objectivity in reviews are so complicated and absurd that the only course of action I deem proper is to be as honest about my reviews and ratings as possible.
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ScreamingSteelUS Editor-in-Chief AdminPosts: 6082 |
22.04.2016 - 00:23Rating: 9
Written by Danny Thomas on 21.04.2016 at 08:59
Written by [user id=104220] on 17.04.2016 at 16:15
Hearing it right now bc of this review, it sounds like a Otep/Lacuna Coil mix maybe a bit more harsh (particularly the female vocalist). It has a few electronics in it which suits it very well. But overall i don't think it deserves such a high number 9.8. I'd go as high as 7 on this one. Good modern metal, and it's a cool soundtrack while playing videogames!
very good description with the otep/lacuna coil mix. it went back and forth between sounding like a decent anime soundtrack to even parts where I was like "if Mikael Stanne did the vocals, it would remind me of a dark tranquillity song" but then a few seconds later not at all. I'm having a hard time determining if I like this. there are sections of many of the songs that I very much enjoy, then other parts not so much. Sometimes I like the vocals and sometimes they turn me off. Maybe it's one of those "give it multiple listens and it will grow on you" type albums.
Those comparisons seem fairly apt to me. I'd be surprised if anyone else went as high as a 9.8, but, hey, 7 is a lot better than the reaction I got last time I reviewed a Slot album. There are certain aspects of the band that definitely took some getting used to for me, and even this album I had fairly mixed feelings about at first, but I do think the more you listen the more entrenched you become in the sound.
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Danny Thomas
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I will say this much. every time I was about to turn the album off, another part I found interesting came on, so I kept listening. I try to stay open minded and accept the fact that sometimes an artist whose sound you aren't quite acclimated to, often sounds better the more you listen. therefore, i will listen again tonight and see how i feel.
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Marcus Doit Like Bernie
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Written by DahliaRock on 21.04.2016 at 16:34
Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 19.04.2016 at 17:39
The problem, then, is that you have placed too much emphasis on the score.
when you first arrive in metalstorm, the very first thing you see, right there on the top, is a list of albums, with a big score, jumping around to grab your attention. If the emphasis is not the score then the design should be changed and the numeric scores should be removed altogether.
Don't you think there's a chance that people saw the score, listened to a song (or the whole album) and thought "wow this is great, so happy I saw it on Metalstorm?" For his next review, SSUS should give the album a personalized score for every user one the site - that way everyone is happy.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by Bones222 on 20.04.2016 at 14:39
Read the review and instantly went and checked out this band... I consistently refer to Metal Storm for new releases and somewhat rely on reviewers to give a fair and broad appraisal of albums, being subjective is well and good but there is no way this album is at 9.8. I appreciate the reviewers opinion but surely your role here is to give realistic expectations to Metal Storm users? Just my two cents, but this album comes across as mediocre and borderline commercial at best...horns \m/!
Never mind, the reviewer above said has got a lot of complaints recently.
I'm considering to vote him as "The Most-Avoided Reviewer" of all time in the end of the year
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ScreamingSteelUS Editor-in-Chief AdminPosts: 6082 |
28.04.2016 - 23:53Rating: 9
Written by Dr. Strawberry on 27.04.2016 at 09:31
Written by Bones222 on 20.04.2016 at 14:39
Read the review and instantly went and checked out this band... I consistently refer to Metal Storm for new releases and somewhat rely on reviewers to give a fair and broad appraisal of albums, being subjective is well and good but there is no way this album is at 9.8. I appreciate the reviewers opinion but surely your role here is to give realistic expectations to Metal Storm users? Just my two cents, but this album comes across as mediocre and borderline commercial at best...horns \m/!
Never mind, the reviewer above said has got a lot of complaints recently.
I'm considering to vote him as "The Most-Avoided Reviewer" of all time in the end of the year
To be fair, some of those complaints were from you. Most of my recent complaints were due to the Babymetal review anyway, which would have attracted controversy no matter who reviewed it and how. I understand, of course, why people sometimes react to my reviews skeptically, and to be honest I have been wondering if I took the right course of action in this particular instance. I approached this review in a much different manner from usual - not because this is my favorite band, but because I had in mind just how poorly my review of their last album went over and how their ratings completely tanked as a result. I saw this review as a pretty defensive move in which I was refusing to bow to pressure to forego the rating or undersell the album, rather than a bold and aggressive statement characterized by unreasonable and outlandish claims meant to attract attention.
I do see how easy it is to lose the distinction, especially without context, or how little a lot of people care about what my intent was. Still, that's why it's so important that I was only sharing my honest opinion without a hidden agenda.
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pdepmcp
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I do agree with DahliaRock.
A vote of 9.8 is something like "one of the five best records in metal history" or so it sounds to MS users, something that you'd probably admire even if you're not into the band style.
How can such a masterpiece have 8 in originality (and production)?
The point anyway, IMHO, is not the vote itself, but the fact that some ScreamingSteelUS reviews seem to be on another scale of all other staff reviews on MS, both for very high and very low ratings.
That's confusing.
I'm a long time user and the result on me is: uh, SSUS wrote this, the vote is not "significant".
PS: It's not against SSUS, of course, and it's not against his votes either. I just think that the staff should keep some consistency in their voting system.
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Dr. Strawberry
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Written by ScreamingSteelUS on 28.04.2016 at 23:53
Written by Dr. Strawberry on 27.04.2016 at 09:31
Written by Bones222 on 20.04.2016 at 14:39
Read the review and instantly went and checked out this band... I consistently refer to Metal Storm for new releases and somewhat rely on reviewers to give a fair and broad appraisal of albums, being subjective is well and good but there is no way this album is at 9.8. I appreciate the reviewers opinion but surely your role here is to give realistic expectations to Metal Storm users? Just my two cents, but this album comes across as mediocre and borderline commercial at best...horns \m/!
Never mind, the reviewer above said has got a lot of complaints recently.
I'm considering to vote him as "The Most-Avoided Reviewer" of all time in the end of the year
To be fair, some of those complaints were from you. Most of my recent complaints were due to the Babymetal review anyway, which would have attracted controversy no matter who reviewed it and how. I understand, of course, why people sometimes react to my reviews skeptically, and to be honest I have been wondering if I took the right course of action in this particular instance. I approached this review in a much different manner from usual - not because this is my favorite band, but because I had in mind just how poorly my review of their last album went over and how their ratings completely tanked as a result. I saw this review as a pretty defensive move in which I was refusing to bow to pressure to forego the rating or undersell the album, rather than a bold and aggressive statement characterized by unreasonable and outlandish claims meant to attract attention.
I do see how easy it is to lose the distinction, especially without context, or how little a lot of people care about what my intent was. Still, that's why it's so important that I was only sharing my honest opinion without a hidden agenda.
Why not, if you're expressing your opinions honestly without hidden agenda. But...who knows ?
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Vyalikov
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05.02.2017 - 22:53Rating: 10
You should know russian language to undestand how cool they are
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06.02.2017 - 20:47Rating: 10
The "SLOT" writes very deep and high quality lyrics.
The symbiosis of text and music gives me a complete delight.
This is the only band I can listen to 24 hours a day!
Voice singer (Daria "NYKI"), is the best thing I've ever heard. It combines the power and femininity. It's unbelievable!
The album "Septima" is very good. Even after 15 years, the group continues to progress and make us happy. They are the best!
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15303 |
Written by pdepmcp on 09.05.2016 at 16:45
I do agree with DahliaRock.
A vote of 9.8 is something like "one of the five best records in metal history" or so it sounds to MS users.
late to the fray but have to chime in.
I am not sure you agree with Dahlia.
what you think means "one of the five best records in metal history" he think means 50% of records in metal history:
10 216 votes
9 134 votes
8 39 votes
7 10 votes
6 5 votes
5 1 vote
4 5 votes
3 1 vote
2 1 vote
1 1 vote
There won't be consistency in staff scoring of albums in reviews because, just like our users, we all have different tastes and ways of rating. Music, and the interpretation and appreciation thereof is a unique experience to the user. While Marcel and I might agree about a lot of albums, ultimately we still both process them differently. SSUS and I vary significantly in probably more cases than not. But I respect his opinion and the way he states it.
For you to say his rating of the album is wrong is no different than me telling you your scoring of the dreadful "Swansong" by Carcass a 10 is wrong. No matter how much I despise that album, no words I type are likely to diminish or alter your feelings towards that piece. Just like SSUS feels strongly about this album even though you clearly didn't get the same experience.
Individual Mileage Will Vary.
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pdepmcp
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Written by BitterCOld on 28.02.2017 at 23:58
Written by pdepmcp on 09.05.2016 at 16:45
I do agree with DahliaRock.
A vote of 9.8 is something like "one of the five best records in metal history" or so it sounds to MS users.
late to the fray but have to chime in.
I am not sure you agree with Dahlia.
what you think means "one of the five best records in metal history" he think means 50% of records in metal history:
10 216 votes
9 134 votes
8 39 votes
7 10 votes
6 5 votes
5 1 vote
4 5 votes
3 1 vote
2 1 vote
1 1 vote
There won't be consistency in staff scoring of albums in reviews because, just like our users, we all have different tastes and ways of rating. Music, and the interpretation and appreciation thereof is a unique experience to the user. While Marcel and I might agree about a lot of albums, ultimately we still both process them differently. SSUS and I vary significantly in probably more cases than not. But I respect his opinion and the way he states it.
For you to say his rating of the album is wrong is no different than me telling you your scoring of the dreadful "Swansong" by Carcass a 10 is wrong. No matter how much I despise that album, no words I type are likely to diminish or alter your feelings towards that piece. Just like SSUS feels strongly about this album even though you clearly didn't get the same experience.
Individual Mileage Will Vary.
Of course there is personal taste.
But what is rated by a reviewer is supposed to be somehow more from the mind than from the guts.
Looks like you're confusing reviews rating with user ratings.
I would not review Swansong with a 10, because I know I like that kind of music, I am a huge Carcass fan and that record has a meaning to me that...is just to me. I know by myself that I'm not objective on that (I still think that it's a 10, from my own point of view).
As a user, my vote goes in a great pile and is counted as just a single voice in a mass.
Staff reviews are different.
Just to take it on numbers, like you did: to find another staff review as high as this one, you need to go back to december 2013, when the same reviewer gave to the same band...the same vote. So the SLot made the two most highly voted albums of the last 40 months, according to staff reviews.
Maybe 1 of the 5 best in history is hyperbolic, but at in the top 1% is probably not, according to staff reviews.
I'm not questioning the reviewer tastes, I'm just saying that this is, somehow, misleading. Maybe SLot is the best band ever and I'll fall in love at the second attempt (the first failed...). That's not the point too.
Numbers have meaning if there is some sort of rule (even of the thumb) to read them.
No problem, and no offence intended. Just numbers.
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02.12.2017 - 19:58Rating: 9
87% of the votes are withdrawn? Ignored the opinion of the expert? Oh, I find out the good old The SLoT))
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