The Voyager The Table
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02.11.2011 - 04:13Rating: 9
Might want to fix Mike Petrucci in the next-to-last paragraph. Other than that, great review. I agree, and I think this album has gotten unfair hate.
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Dream Taster The Enemy Within StaffPosts: 1337 |
02.11.2011 - 04:15Rating: 7
Dude, thanks. I'm seeing Mikes everywhere now.
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Aetherius
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02.11.2011 - 04:59Rating: 9
I tend to agree with this review a lot more. Although I didnt like this one as much at first, I kept it on my playlist and after a few listens I certainly like it a lot more now. I dont know why but if i had to pick a closest DT sibling to this one, I keep going back to Falling Into Infinity. It too, took me longer to like than the rest of their albums.
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Mr.Wilson
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02.11.2011 - 05:43Rating: 8
At last a well writen and fair review by someone who clearly understands Dream Theater and not by a Portnoy Worshiper.. well done;) i agree 100% with the review:)
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Of course all the DT fans are going to like this review more and agree with it, because the score is closer to an 8 than Daniell's.
I don't care about the band or their releases and I think both reviews are well done as they both present the positives and negatives each reviewer uncovered; I just think it's funny to see how people blindly agree with reviews that score closer to their personal rating.
"Finally we have someone who knows how to review an album, unlike that Daniell troll!" baaaa
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6120 |
02.11.2011 - 12:00Rating: 5
Written by Troy Killjoy on 02.11.2011 at 08:44
"Finally we have someone who knows how to review an album, unlike that Daniell troll!" baaaa
Yes, finally a decent review, unlike that ridiculous hogwash that dared rate DT so low
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neonxaos
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Finally someone who knows what I want to hear them talking about No, sorry, not gonna add fuel to the fire. I gotta admit, DT seem to be struggling a bit these days, but maybe something good will come of it. In the mean time, I'll be over here listening to Symphony X and Haken Thank Nature (yeah, take that, nonexisting God!) for the wonder of choice, amirite?
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Milena gloom cookie StaffPosts: 4603 |
02.11.2011 - 12:43Rating: 6
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Written by neonxaos on 02.11.2011 at 12:10
... but maybe something good will come of it.
Dear God, I hope so. I'd hate to see them lose whatever fire is left in them. At least now they've got a skillful drummer AND a wonderful, mature, dedicated person behind the kit.
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Mountain King K i K o
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02.11.2011 - 13:55Rating: 8
Im not a DT fan. I just like the band and i think this album is really good although i didn't like some songs. One of them being "Bridges In The Sky". But seriously "On The Back Of Angels", "Lost Not Forgotten", "Breaking All Illusions" are just amazing tracks. I like the production more on earlier albums though, and portnoy's sounds a lot better but it's no problem. ..
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Warman Erotic Stains
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02.11.2011 - 23:40Rating: 9
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Great review and I think you're mostly spot on. According to me, this could be their best stuff since "Six Degrees...". "Breaking All Illusions" is mindblowing, gives me the chills every time!
BTW, just me who thinks the album sounds like a mix of "Six Degrees..." and "Train of Thought"?
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jhook
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03.11.2011 - 01:35Rating: 9
Written by Warman on 02.11.2011 at 23:40
BTW, just me who thinks the album sounds like a mix of "Six Degrees..." and "Train of Thought"?
hmm not at all, to me it sounds like a modernized "images and words"
anyways, good review, that other one was a joke
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Berserk
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03.11.2011 - 02:16Rating: 7
This review's a lot better than the other one . I'd give it a similar rating to yours.
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jhook
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03.11.2011 - 03:03Rating: 9
Written by Troy Killjoy on 02.11.2011 at 08:44
Of course all the DT fans are going to like this review more and agree with it, because the score is closer to an 8 than Daniell's.
I don't care about the band or their releases and I think both reviews are well done as they both present the positives and negatives each reviewer uncovered; I just think it's funny to see how people blindly agree with reviews that score closer to their personal rating.
"Finally we have someone who knows how to review an album, unlike that Daniell troll!" baaaa
This is only true if quality in music is totally subjective. I tend to agree with this reviewer because its a solid album from a well- respected band that's been mostly praised in other reviews of it. If the quality of music were totally subjective, there wouldnt really be a point in having reviews, and i'd be justified in saying Lulu or anything from Soulja boy is muscially better than a widely accepted classic simply because i like it more
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ToMegaTherion
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03.11.2011 - 03:30Rating: 6
This is an album that didn't disappoint me at all. I expected a very average album and got just that. I think they are just trying too hard to make the music more and more complex that its just becoming so generic. This album is just that, generic, and very expected. Daniell's review is probably a little harsh, but not unwarranted it is probably the worst album they have come out with to date.
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Quinaitor
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03.11.2011 - 05:19Rating: 7
I will repeat the same thing I've said like 2948723984 times already... The album is GREAT! but it did not create the "OMFG I'M IN LOVE WITH THIS ALBUM" feeling that every other DT album did... And this... is the word of a freaking DT lover...
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Angelic Storm Melodious
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Written by jhook on 03.11.2011 at 03:03 This is only true if quality in music is totally subjective. I tend to agree with this reviewer because its a solid album from a well- respected band that's been mostly praised in other reviews of it. If the quality of music were totally subjective, there wouldnt really be a point in having reviews, and i'd be justified in saying Lulu or anything from Soulja boy is muscially better than a widely accepted classic simply because i like it more
But the quality in music is totally subjective. (although talent and musicianship isn't) I am very objective in how I approach individual albums, but my opinion on them is still subjective to an extent, as it is only my personal opinion. And that's all that reviews are, is just one person's opinion. Some people place far too much importance on reviews IMO (especially if they are by staff members on a forum like this, or "professional" music critics), and see them as more than just merely one person's opinion on an album. Which is really all they are. You would be unjustified in saying that "Lulu" is musically better than say "Ride The Lightning", at least coming from a place of pure musicianship. However, you would be perfectly justified in saying that you preffered "Lulu" over "Ride The Lightning". As there is no right and wrong as far as personal opinion on music goes.
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jhook
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03.11.2011 - 06:28Rating: 9
Written by Angelic Storm on 03.11.2011 at 06:09
Written by jhook on 03.11.2011 at 03:03 This is only true if quality in music is totally subjective. I tend to agree with this reviewer because its a solid album from a well- respected band that's been mostly praised in other reviews of it. If the quality of music were totally subjective, there wouldnt really be a point in having reviews, and i'd be justified in saying Lulu or anything from Soulja boy is muscially better than a widely accepted classic simply because i like it more
But the quality in music is totally subjective. (although talent and musicianship isn't) I am very objective in how I approach individual albums, but my opinion on them is still subjective to an extent, as it is only my personal opinion. And that's all that reviews are, is just one person's opinion. Some people place far too much importance on reviews IMO (especially if they are by staff members on a forum like this, or "professional" music critics), and see them as more than just merely one person's opinion on an album. Which is really all they are. You would be unjustified in saying that "Lulu" is musically better than say "Ride The Lightning", at least coming from a place of pure musicianship. However, you would be perfectly justified in saying that you preffered "Lulu" over "Ride The Lightning". As there is no right and wrong as far as personal opinion on music goes.
By "quality" i meant talent, musicianship, and songwriting, which is mostly objective. Of course theres no right and wrong as far as personal opinion goes, thats personal opinion, not quality
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Troy Killjoy perfunctionist StaffPosts: 21306 |
Written by jhook on 03.11.2011 at 06:28 thats personal opinion, not quality
Everyone has the same definition of quality now?
Huh. Wonder when that happened.
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DNorbs
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I was fearing the worst for this album without Portnoy, and I ended up enjoying it more than their last few releases. Definitely a quality album, deserving of a high 7, low 8 score.
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nb
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06.11.2011 - 15:13Rating: 10
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Just like with any DT albums, I have enjoyed it since the first listen. I have heard 4 or 5 times by now and the songs stick in my head for a long time after listening to them. With this album I believe they removed from the music some elements that they themselves where not happy with, and stuck to more melodic passages.
I did not find the keyboards to overwhelm all other instruments, I think they are very balanced. The drums seem to be a little in the back of the mix, though.
Very good review.
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1Yossarian1
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16.11.2011 - 21:46Rating: 9
I really love this album. i wont pretend to be the biggest DT fan or an expert on their previous work, but i don't really understand the criticism towards this album, i personally see it as far better than their two previous releases. My major criticism towards DT is James LaBrie's vocals, which, at times, feel as though he is trying to sing like other musicians, rather than just being himself. However on this album his vocal performance is truly outstanding, and, in my opinion, really makes the album great.
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Renard Solitaire
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Written by 1Yossarian1 on 16.11.2011 at 21:46
I really love this album. i wont pretend to be the biggest DT fan or an expert on their previous work, but i don't really understand the criticism towards this album, i personally see it as far better than their two previous releases. My major criticism towards DT is James LaBrie's vocals, which, at times, feel as though he is trying to sing like other musicians, rather than just being himself. However on this album his vocal performance is truly outstanding, and, in my opinion, really makes the album great.
I share your opinion. Just like you, I like A Dramatic Turn of Events much more than Black Clouds and Silver Linings. Thus, this is a good album, but I still prefer Images and Words, and Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory.
I'm particularly digging Lost But Not Forgotten right now!:cool:
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Passenger Lost To Apathy
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05.09.2013 - 19:53Rating: 9
In retrospective, this is, indeed, better than Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds.
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Azarath Free as a.. Fish
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06.09.2013 - 14:59Rating: 6
Written by Passenger on 05.09.2013 at 19:53
In retrospective, this is, indeed, better than Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds.
Well, if you really wanted to, you could make the case that's it's more consistent than those albums. It's not as all-over-the-place, nor does it have those drastic shifts in quality. It lacks the peaks and valleys ("Build Me Up, Break Me Down" is awful though) of its predecessors, which (along with the flat sound) also means it's a dull listening experience.
More consistent, but also incredibly bland. Which is not really a criticism you can level against Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
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Passenger Lost To Apathy
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07.09.2013 - 14:22Rating: 9
Written by Azarath on 06.09.2013 at 14:59
Written by Passenger on 05.09.2013 at 19:53
In retrospective, this is, indeed, better than Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds.
Well, if you really wanted to, you could make the case that's it's more consistent than those albums. It's not as all-over-the-place, nor does it have those drastic shifts in quality. It lacks the peaks and valleys ("Build Me Up, Break Me Down" is awful though) of its predecessors, which (along with the flat sound) also means it's a dull listening experience.
More consistent, but also incredibly bland. Which is not really a criticism you can level against Systematic Chaos or Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
I understand what you're saying, but disagree it's dull in consequence. You could probably say that about Falling Into Infinity. Then again, I love Build Me Up, Break me Down.
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Azarath Free as a.. Fish
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09.09.2013 - 20:21Rating: 6
Written by Passenger on 07.09.2013 at 14:22
I understand what you're saying, but disagree it's dull in consequence. You could probably say that about Falling Into Infinity. Then again, I love Build Me Up, Break me Down.
Well, I love Falling into Infinity, so there you go. Different strokes and all that.
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Passenger Lost To Apathy
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11.09.2013 - 01:37Rating: 9
Written by Azarath on 09.09.2013 at 20:21
Written by Passenger on 07.09.2013 at 14:22
I understand what you're saying, but disagree it's dull in consequence. You could probably say that about Falling Into Infinity. Then again, I love Build Me Up, Break me Down.
Well, I love Falling into Infinity, so there you go. Different strokes and all that.
For sure
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You don't make up for your sins in church. You do it in the streets. You do it at home. The rest is bullshit and you know it ~ Mean Streets
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