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Though I can't speak for all the issue for me is not that they changed their sound but the sound they changed into is a very poor, very dull rendition of a number of bands who've been doing it for many years, most of which are doing it way better (the shoegazing post-punkiness of A Place To Bury Strangers any one?). As I said before they've tried to infiltrate the popular post-punk wave (not post-rock, not an ounce of that on this tbh Daniel as far as I can detect) that's so en vogue at the moment, which was more or less made popular by Alcest who've been doing the post-punk/black metal hybrid for a while now.
Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, and this is unfortunately a very average spade; a very "nice" and "pleasant" record but a million miles from the unprecedented wonder of the first two albums. Seems to be quite popular with a number of people though but I'm guessing they haven't heard an awful lot of music of this type really, not to sound patronising or anything. And the vocals REALLY do not fit the tone of the style they play now. It's weird, and not in a good way, and belongs in an industrial band or something coarser. I could throw ketchup on my cornflakes; it would be original but it wouldn't taste nice
I should probably add I had absolutely no expectations with this record, in fact I haven't really been into Drudkh since they released Swan Road so my feelings on this are as objective as one can reasonably be.
Anyway, that's my couple of pennies on a very divisive record.
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Exactly. In my mind, this album isn't pushing forward the boundaries, but rather quite the opposite, a devolution, if you will.
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pazuzuovbabel Pazuzu
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31.10.2010 - 21:31Rating: 7
I still cant get into it, I try to lsn more to it but its not catchy as their previous ones. I keep hearing critics praise it and try to give it a second chance and not that much changed.
but as you said, still good record though, but not to be released under Drudkh legacy. And its really nice review.
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01.11.2010 - 08:38Rating: 5
Written by [user id=4365] on 31.10.2010 at 21:02
Though I can't speak for all the issue for me is not that they changed their sound but the sound they changed into is a very poor, very dull rendition of a number of bands who've been doing it for many years, most of which are doing it way better (the shoegazing post-punkiness of A Place To Bury Strangers any one?). As I said before they've tried to infiltrate the popular post-punk wave (not post-rock, not an ounce of that on this tbh Daniel as far as I can detect) that's so en vogue at the moment, which was more or less made popular by Alcest who've been doing the post-punk/black metal hybrid for a while now.
Sometimes you just have to call a spade a spade, and this is unfortunately a very average spade; a very "nice" and "pleasant" record but a million miles from the unprecedented wonder of the first two albums. Seems to be quite popular with a number of people though but I'm guessing they haven't heard an awful lot of music of this type really, not to sound patronising or anything. And the vocals REALLY do not fit the tone of the style they play now. It's weird, and not in a good way, and belongs in an industrial band or something coarser. I could throw ketchup on my cornflakes; it would be original but it wouldn't taste nice
I should probably add I had absolutely no expectations with this record, in fact I haven't really been into Drudkh since they released Swan Road so my feelings on this are as objective as one can reasonably be.
Anyway, that's my couple of pennies on a very divisive record.
I second that. The album is not only weak, but Drudkh try to much to completely merge black metal and post-rock/punk resulting in an album lacking emotional qualities, with the production not helping at all. I'd rather listen to Alcest or Les Discrets who successfully convene their feelings over this any day.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
01.11.2010 - 10:11Rating: 8
Judging by what you guys say, I think it'd be best if this album was released under a different name. The weight of expectations is just too immense. Now I know your answers to questions asked in the first paragraph
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Having never listened to Drudkh before, I enjoy this album qui te a bit, especially the contemplative mood that flows throughout. In terms of post-black stuff, I like this much more than Alcest for instance. The only thing is, I seem to enjoy it slightly less with every listen as if the album was a bit shallower than it appears at first. Maybe I just overplayed it. I'll see what I really think of it in a few months.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
01.11.2010 - 10:37Rating: 8
Written by Deadsoulman on 01.11.2010 at 10:19
The only thing is, I seem to enjoy it slightly less with every listen as if the album was a bit shallower than it appears at first.
I have the same thing. I was thinking about a higher mark a few weeks ago. Who knows, maybe I will regret my ranking in a few months
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Written by Daniell on 01.11.2010 at 10:11
Judging by what you guys say, I think it'd be best if this album was released under a different name. The weight of expectations is just too immense. Now I know your answers to questions asked in the first paragraph
Yep, as always, every problem related to the quality of an album can easily be solved by switching the band name.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
01.11.2010 - 11:50Rating: 8
Haha, it actually makes sense.
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Written by Daniell on 01.11.2010 at 11:50
Haha, it actually makes sense.
No it doesn't. Radical shift in style, but also mediocre by itself. If you assigned it by a different name, it'd only fit the latter.
Point is if an album is below average but by a group praised for this previous efforts, a simple name change won't help how people view it. It'd most likely be ignored.
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A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. The inverse is also a true: crap retagged as something else would still be crap It has nothing to do with the nature of your opening paragraph, in fact quite the opposite in my opinion: the only thing giving this record any push or notoriety is the name. Take that away and a record such as this would be swept away by the stream of such artists into obscurity because there are innumerable better artists of this sound. It's a common argument, usually employed in Metallica reviews and threads but it's definitely the case here.
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To be honest, the opening paragraph sounds like it'd be perfect as the beginning of some elitist awareness PSA, or something of the sort.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6101 |
01.11.2010 - 13:02Rating: 8
Written by vezzy on 01.11.2010 at 12:52
To be honest, the opening paragraph sounds like it'd be perfect as the beginning of some elitist awareness PSA, or something of the sort.
Which I noticed while writing, hence all sentences are questions to avoid them being statements with an attitude.
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Mikyz
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01.11.2010 - 15:17Rating: 5
The only reason we're even arguing is because it's a Drudkh album. I think your aim in the first paragraph is to convince us that tackling an album with crazy expectations encourages biased opinions. In fact, your probably right, but this doesn't apply to this album because after all A Handful of Stars is a feeble attempt at a pseudo-black metal album. It's disappointing really, which is a feeling that can only be expressed through the means of previous experiences with the band.
I think that they had to at least try to change their sound, but now that they did (and failed) I sincerely hope that they'll be going back to their old ways.
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Written by Mikyz on 01.11.2010 at 15:17
I think your aim in the first paragraph is to convince us that tackling an album with crazy expectations encourages biased opinions. In fact, your probably right,
The fatal flaw with that argument though with a band like Drudkh is that it also applies to the reverse, to a fair extent at least. Drudkh are often seen as an infallible entity who can do no wrong so naturally there's going to be an amount of blind fanboyism, even despite the average quality of the record. People love their bands, even when they do get it wrong; the kind of "if Drudkh does it, it must be good" mentality, as if it's an excuse for lazy songwriting and lack of originality. I suspect that, eventually, this record will be lost to the annals of time.
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BitterCOld The Ancient One AdminPosts: 15287 |
01.11.2010 - 18:31Rating: 6
I'll still check it out - at the very least the reviews and comments make it out to be a radical shift, which is more appealing to me than the bad continuing to put out albums which are pale comparisons to the band's earlier work.
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01.11.2010 - 19:17Rating: 8
Written by BitterCOld on 01.11.2010 at 18:31
I'll still check it out - at the very least the reviews and comments make it out to be a radical shift, which is more appealing to me than the bad continuing to put out albums which are pale comparisons to the band's earlier work.
This is probably why I welcome radical shifts from bands I like, as opposed to dismissing them out of hand.
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"Songs" are too long and sound the same (jangly guitars are awful) and I hate the f*cking vocals! Apart from that , average, i.e. disappointing...
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They say, if you really love something , once it vanishes, you escape into daydreams of masterly insights that constantly hurl you back to your proudest moments that link you with that something you love. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's extremely hard for us to criticise albums coming from our favorites bands and it takes a hell of courage to do that. For instance, take Drudkh's Autumn Aurora, it's a flawless record that continues to "dulcify" whatever comes out from this legendary band. That is to say, no matter what Ukraine's black metal giants produce, no matter how crappy it is, Autumn Aurora will be always there for the rescue. But not in Handful Of Stars' case, because, just like Daniell, I think that 2003 and 2004 masterpieces are casting a shadow over this record. I completely agree with the reviewer, I couldn't have written it any better. This album is good, and despite what some members say, I don't think it's anywhere near averageness, I think it's decent and I would've given it the same rating as Daniell did. What's the point of worshipping a band that delivers the same plain wave of sound in every single album? Yeah I agree, it's not a masterpiece but it's worth listening to. Nice review.
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07.02.2011 - 18:18Rating: 9
This album is for me awsome....... i really enyoy it !!!! perfect!!!!!
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07.02.2011 - 22:07Rating: 7
Well, shit, I think it's pretty good. It's not Autumn Aurora or Blood In Our Wells, but a very solid effort nonetheless. Towards The Light has one of Drudkh's very best riffs, I could listen to that riff alone for 10 minutes.
This album leaves me wondering about what will they do next... Maybe another Songs of Grief and Solitude?
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I dunno what the problem is, I really dig it. Plus it seems like the post-whatever plus black metal comparison has been taken a little too far.
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Ya I have no qualms with the "new style". It's definitely less boundary-pushing, but at the end of the day, every band that progresses in nature has to "stagnate" eventually.
As much as I love Amon Amarth, not many people rag on them for re-making the same album for 10 years. But if Drudkh just remade variations of Autumn Aurora, surely people would call them out for not pushing the envelope.
Maybe it's a black metal stigma: once you separate yourself from the generic crap, your fans instantly expect you to push the envelope for the rest of time. There's only so much creativity a mind has in my opinion.
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Written by Troy Killjoy on 02.03.2011 at 16:43
Ya I have no qualms with the "new style". It's definitely less boundary-pushing, but at the end of the day, every band that progresses in nature has to "stagnate" eventually.
As much as I love Amon Amarth, not many people rag on them for re-making the same album for 10 years. But if Drudkh just remade variations of Autumn Aurora, surely people would call them out for not pushing the envelope.
Maybe it's a black metal stigma: once you separate yourself from the generic crap, your fans instantly expect you to push the envelope for the rest of time. There's only so much creativity a mind has in my opinion.
My issue with this album is that black metallers don't seem to realise how generic it is, to them it's a new twist to the black metal style, to me it's pandering to a very old, uninteresting style that's been squeezed of its relevant artistic value and become a process of sticking as closely as possible to an established style that, for once, is not their own.
There's always a large amount of verisimilitude when it comes to black metal, fans know what they want and what to expect, and for me this record is like making a serious World War II documentary where the solidiers frequently break out into song and dance. It's trying to appeal to its black metal fanbase but in all reality it belongs in the pages of the NME / generic indie music magazine listener. When they released this record they should have changed their name to The Drudkhs in my Hopinion.
It's still not a bad record though, but not one I will ever listen to again in all likelihood. If they want to build on this sound and inject it with something new then I'm all up for that.
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Written by [user id=4365] on 03.03.2011 at 14:46
My issue with this album is that black metallers don't seem to realise how generic it is, to them it's a new twist to the black metal style, to me it's pandering to a very old, uninteresting style that's been squeezed of its relevant artistic value and become a process of sticking as closely as possible to an established style that, for once, is not their own.
There's always a large amount of verisimilitude when it comes to black metal, fans know what they want and what to expect, and for me this record is like making a serious World War II documentary where the solidiers frequently break out into song and dance. It's trying to appeal to its black metal fanbase but in all reality it belongs in the pages of the NME / generic indie music magazine listener. When they released this record they should have changed their name to The Drudkhs in my Hopinion.
It's still not a bad record though, but not one I will ever listen to again in all likelihood. If they want to build on this sound and inject it with something new then I'm all up for that.
I stumbled upon this now and realized I never responded, but just wanted you to know that I agree with everything you said here.
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I can't really understand all this change of style talk. And the reason is I started to listen Drudkh from that albom. First Drudkh. And then went on back in time. Not like most of the drudkhian folk. Then came back to post a comment. There was NO change of style at all. Drudkh had slowly developed towards that one during their many previous alboms. And that means using their old riffs, old sound, with minor variations. And that seems unimaginative and untalented even when you start from this albom. But no great change, just another "Turn of Wheel" style abuse of old tunes.
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