Title's giving me some major cringe vibes
Hopefully that's not a reflection of the music...

That cringy album title, all the song titles and the involvement of late Robb Flynn make me feel so pessimistic about this album that I actually want to hear it asap just out of pure morbid curiosity.

Written by Metal Diogenes on 19.03.2022 at 00:57

That cringy album title, all the song titles and the involvement of late Robb Flynn make me feel so pessimistic about this album that I actually want to hear it asap just out of pure morbid curiosity.

I so agree with you ! The Robb Flynn feat is disturbing

Looking forward to it, i like how they push boundaries & they execute.
the groove metal direction has been very very welcome, the subgenre has been almost forgotten.
I really enjoyed Blood Mantra and Anticult.

I enjoyed the last one. Hopefully this is a similar style.

Written by Metal Diogenes on 19.03.2022 at 00:57

That cringy album title, all the song titles and the involvement of late Robb Flynn make me feel so pessimistic about this album that I actually want to hear it asap just out of pure morbid curiosity.

Cancer Culture is a fantastic album title. its relevant, clever and catchy.

Written by CWA on 24.03.2022 at 00:17

Cancer Culture is a fantastic album title. its relevant, clever and catchy.

How is it remotely clever? Lowest hanging fruit.

Written by Boxcar Willy on 25.03.2022 at 15:34

Written by CWA on 24.03.2022 at 00:17

Cancer Culture is a fantastic album title. its relevant, clever and catchy.

How is it remotely clever? Lowest hanging fruit.

It's clever because with the change one letter in the phrase "Cancel Culture" they were able perfectly capture the virulent psychology of those who engage in it. Your accusation of them reaching for the "lowest hanging fruit" is quite baseless.

Good album title

Wow, I wasn't expecting that!!,
This is some heavy shit right here: catchy fast paced riffs, vocals and James's drumming are top notch, fast and heavy Vaderish parts but also slow and technical ones too and it all seems to fit together soo nicely, yes, please!!
IMO far better then previous 3 albums

I want to like it and maybe it will grow on me but it's an uphill struggle ATM.
Tracks 2, 3 & 4 are OK, they have many elements that I like, especially those from Carnival which is probably my favourite album overall.
From there on though, the album goes downhill pretty fast. Hello Death is probably their worst track ever, while Iconoclast, Last Supper and to some extend Hours As Battlegrounds, carry a lot of the monotonous blandness of Anticult, which is easily their worst album in my book.

I was really impressed by the singles released already, they were top material. The rest of the album is good but I feel that the first half is awesome and the other one somewhat weaker οr maybe slightly indifferent. Could have been a best-ever 10/10 EP without the last parts. Nonetheless, very good album overall and amazing work as always from a technical point of view, Vogg is a guitar god.

INNOVATION / TECHNICALITY / SPEED / HARMONY / CREATIVITY

(( CANCER CULTURE )) Even Better Than What I Expected .. James Stewart Are So Welcome To The Band .. What A Fantastic Clean Drumming Performance

Rasta Get So Much Better & Stonger Than Before On This Album ... I Liked The Lyrics Too , Fit To The Music Atmosphere And Lately Going Around Us ....

That Could Be So (( Re..Tar..Ded )) .. Logicless ..Stupid For Someone To Gave It 5 Or Less (( From 10 )) To This Album ....


I Knew This Album IS Going To Be Good But I Didnt Expected This Good ... I Can Listen This Album For Years Until Next Album ... After Dimebag Vogg Is My Secound Favorite Guitarist ... Fantastic Job VOGG

Favorite Tracks : Cancer Culture / Hours As Battlegrounds / Locked / Iconoclast / No Cure

Extremely boring.

Better than I expected

Decrapitated

I am a big fan of Anticult, and the post reunion material in general. This album rips. Loving it more with each listen. Its not like Anticult, as it feels like it reaches back for some of their older stylistic elements but it still "new" Decapitated. Great move getting Stewart on drums. He kills it on this and Vogg's guitars are massive.

It's not bad but nothing memorable either, it felt kind of underwhelming to me, there was nothing special in the riffing department, and too many tracks were bland to me, I've certainly heard alot better this year. "Hours As Battlegrounds" is probably the main stand out track for me, nothing else really stands out.

I liked the first four tracks and "Iconoclast", but the rest wasn't that impressive in my opinion. I didn't think I'd enjoy the shouting vocals, but there are some gnarly riffs here. I've heard a lot better this year, but I'm glad I checked this out

What's actually cringe worthy are the people complaining about how "cringe" the album title is. There isn't one facet of cancel culture that is even remotely admirable.

Written by Ivy Patterns on 10.06.2022 at 19:55

What's actually cringe worthy are the people complaining about how "cringe" the album title is. There isn't one facet of cancel culture that is even remotely admirable.

I agree with the latter, cancel culture is indeed just a piece cultural feces that doesn't have any admirable qualities. Still, the album name is very low hanging fruit and kindergarten level wordplay and makes some people cringe, like that's literally the most obvious thing anyone that has ever heard the word "cancel culture" could come up within seconds. If the point of the name is to emphasize how vile, detestable and disgusting cancel culture really is, then why not just use the internet and find more creative and cool sounding words and wordplays to describe it and use them instead, I mean anything. Metal music is full of this kind of stuff, it shouldn't be that difficult.

As for the music itself, I think it's just ok and good. The first half is better than the latter, it's not a bad album IMO. I like their newer and groovier sound anyway. Good thing an album title is probably the least important thing when it comes to the quality of actual content.

Fair point :-)

Written by Metal Diogenes on 10.06.2022 at 21:05

Written by Ivy Patterns on 10.06.2022 at 19:55

What's actually cringe worthy are the people complaining about how "cringe" the album title is. There isn't one facet of cancel culture that is even remotely admirable.

I agree with the latter, cancel culture is indeed just a piece cultural feces that doesn't have any admirable qualities. Still, the album name is very low hanging fruit and kindergarten level wordplay and makes some people cringe, like that's literally the most obvious thing anyone that has ever heard the word "cancel culture" could come up within seconds. If the point of the name is to emphasize how vile, detestable and disgusting cancel culture really is, then why not just use the internet and find more creative and cool sounding words and wordplays to describe it and use them instead, I mean anything. Metal music is full of this kind of stuff, it shouldn't be that difficult.

As for the music itself, I think it's just ok and good. The first half is better than the latter, it's not a bad album IMO. I like their newer and groovier sound anyway. Good thing an album title is probably the least important thing when it comes to the quality of actual content.

By what measure is a wordplay 'kindergarten level' or not? The letters that make one? The fact it serves as a current social commentary?

If anything, the overuse of the fancy word cringe is symptomatic of having a linguistic tunnel vision. Especially that it's quoted after someone else. I mean couldn't you have come up with a less 'kindergarten level' word? 'Cringe', given how overused the word has become is a mentally arrogant way of saying 'I don't like it but can't really tell you why, just expect you to understand without my explaining'.

If they entitled the album 'Cringe' would you be ok with it? Or 'Cancer culture wordplay'? See what I did here?

It's an insightful wordplay and since it's commented on a successful one at that.

From two listens, this is good quality metal, with Decapitated cliches all over, some news stuff like the female (out of place on a Decapitated album) isn't to my liking but overall it's enjoyable. Definitely catchier than some other bands that overdo complexities.

Written by mdx54 on 13.06.2022 at 14:24

Written by Metal Diogenes on 10.06.2022 at 21:05

Written by Ivy Patterns on 10.06.2022 at 19:55

What's actually cringe worthy are the people complaining about how "cringe" the album title is. There isn't one facet of cancel culture that is even remotely admirable.

I agree with the latter, cancel culture is indeed just a piece cultural feces that doesn't have any admirable qualities. Still, the album name is very low hanging fruit and kindergarten level wordplay and makes some people cringe, like that's literally the most obvious thing anyone that has ever heard the word "cancel culture" could come up within seconds. If the point of the name is to emphasize how vile, detestable and disgusting cancel culture really is, then why not just use the internet and find more creative and cool sounding words and wordplays to describe it and use them instead, I mean anything. Metal music is full of this kind of stuff, it shouldn't be that difficult.

As for the music itself, I think it's just ok and good. The first half is better than the latter, it's not a bad album IMO. I like their newer and groovier sound anyway. Good thing an album title is probably the least important thing when it comes to the quality of actual content.

By what measure is a wordplay 'kindergarten level' or not? The letters that make one? The fact it serves as a current social commentary?

If anything, the overuse of the fancy word cringe is symptomatic of having a linguistic tunnel vision. Especially that it's quoted after someone else. I mean couldn't you have come up with a less 'kindergarten level' word? 'Cringe', given how overused the word has become is a mentally arrogant way of saying 'I don't like it but can't really tell you why, just expect you to understand without my explaining'.

If they entitled the album 'Cringe' would you be ok with it? Or 'Cancer culture wordplay'? See what I did here?

It's an insightful wordplay and since it's commented on a successful one at that.

From two listens, this is good quality metal, with Decapitated cliches all over, some news stuff like the female (out of place on a Decapitated album) isn't to my liking but overall it's enjoyable. Definitely catchier than some other bands that overdo complexities.

I would say the obvious play of Cancer and Cancel Culture is a bit too edgy. Not to mention the lyrics of the song, it is very clear what it is about and yes to me it is cringe. But Rasta has been writing some cringe lyrics here and there. A lot of good ones too, don't get me wrong, but they are getting worse by the album and I did prefer Sauron's style of writing, even Covan was a bit worse in the lyrics department imo. And there is no need to be too fancy with words, I agree that if the title would be like.. I don't know.. just three long unintelligible words, that would be another cliche and also bad. Accusing others of not understanding is also mentally arrogant. Just saying, one can have the opinion that the album title is cringey and you are entitled to think that it is not and see something deeper for yourself.

I do not see what you did there.

I agree with you here, debate is always a good thing to inspire. But it has to be a debate, not just some plain accusing and insulting words in a post. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying this happened here, I am just saying that these sort of "debates" too often devolve into insults, from one party who is "awake" and claims to be "superior" in some sort of way. Again, not the case here, just want to make sure that you know I am not attacking you in any way. I feel insightful to be a bit much, but that is just my opinion.

See here I see a contradiction, cliches and good quality metal do not go hand in hand. Sure the record is done well, but to me it is a bit boring, especially given the changes from the first four/five albums. And then with a completely new direction, after Carnival... this seems a bit of a regurgitation of the same things we have been listening to for a while. Sure, I get it, they have a lot of albums out at this point and it is hard to be original. On the other hand there is some experimentation and I like the fact that they did it, but I don't like the result. That is why this album falls short for me. I will see them live this year and see how it sounds, but I doubt I will want to own this one. Also please do not mention women as "the female", I see that too much when people are being degrading and I hope you did not mean it that way.

> Accusing others of not understanding is also mentally arrogant.

Not what I said, to self-cite:
> 'Cringe', given how overused the word has become is a mentally arrogant way of saying 'I don't like it but can't really tell you why, just expect you to understand without my explaining'.

> I do not see what you did there.

Think on how repetitive the mind frame of calling anything 'cringe' has become these days, including your use of the word. It's a disease that plagues the internet, when people just repeat it one after another, without even trying to come up with a synonym. Not to mention the bad vibes it sends.

> See here I see a contradiction, cliches and good quality metal do not go hand in hand.

Aren't you a bit too judgemental? What would your see metal take up then? Sing about some incoherent post-modern mumble-jumble? Metal as any genres thrives on all sorts of cliches. The good thing about it is it speaks boldly against societal issues, hypocrisy, religion, brain-washing, politics etc, which it lends from punk rock, and in taking up those themes stands out from the mainstream. They aren't novel mind, but what's the alternative? You might as well ignore the lyrics, which is what I do mostly.

> I am just saying that these sort of "debates" too often devolve into insults, from one party who is "awake" and claims to be "superior" in some sort of way.

I've read your critique of the 'cancer culture' term to be some arrogant waffle aimed at dismissing a perfectly valid term that counters progressive movements that are hardly liberal - only in as much as you agree with them.

As for insults, who called it 'kindergarden level' or 'cringe'? Those are veiled ways to shame someone's way of thinking, without insulting them personally. It follows that anyone who sees value in the name is metally a pre-pubescent kid, using phrases looked down upon by adults? Very clever but I know that game.

Besides, you might as well criticise the fact there are only so many chords to choose from, so many possible cadences... So what?

> Also please do not mention women as "the female", I see that too much when people are being degrading and I hope you did not mean it that way.

Why, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. The last I looked it up in the Oxford Dictionary it was a perfectly acceptable term to describe a woman. This is precisely how 'cancer culture' wants to control how you think and view the world.

But now that you've poked at a regular word, I see your game. Starting with the veiled criticism of the 'cancer culture' title with the hackneyed 'cringe' term.

Funny how accurately the term 'cancer culture' describes enforcing a single viewpoint and cancelling out all others.

No, I don't subscribe to the view that you can claim one word is degrading simply because you prefer another and expecting everyone else to agree with you. And to wrap it all up with 'I hope you didn't'...

Written by mdx54 on 24.06.2022 at 16:09

Not what I said, to self-cite:
> 'Cringe', given how overused the word has become is a mentally arrogant way of saying 'I don't like it but can't really tell you why, just expect you to understand without my explaining'.

Sorry I totally misread that, my bad.

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Think on how repetitive the mind frame of calling anything 'cringe' has become these days, including your use of the word. It's a disease that plagues the internet, when people just repeat it one after another, without even trying to come up with a synonym. Not to mention the bad vibes it sends.

Well I partly agree, but when someone really means it, I do not consider it's use bad. Yes there are a million uses, when it is exaggerated, but that does not mean it does not have it's place in some debates.

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Aren't you a bit too judgemental? What would your see metal take up then? Sing about some incoherent post-modern mumble-jumble? Metal as any genres thrives on all sorts of cliches. The good thing about it is it speaks boldly against societal issues, hypocrisy, religion, brain-washing, politics etc, which it lends from punk rock, and in taking up those themes stands out from the mainstream. They aren't novel mind, but what's the alternative? You might as well ignore the lyrics, which is what I do mostly.

No I do not consider myself a bit too judgemental. Sorry, 'Rasta' just doesn't write lyrics as well as 'Sauron' for me, that is it. I do not like his way and that is it. Don't carry me to the other extreme, I'm not saying it is shit, but it is not as good as it was. Yes, the themes are good and I like that they are standing against all that, especially in Poland, a country that is quite extremely right wing. But that does not mean I have to like the way it is done. And no, I will not ignore the lyrics. Sure they are not something that ultimately makes or breaks an album, but I prefer albums where I like both the music and the lyrics. I also don't like how derivative of themselves they are on this album, but I do appreciate the songs where they went into a bit of a different direction, even though I do not like the direction that much. I'm not speaking in absolute truths, I am merely stating my opinion, at all times.

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I've read your critique of the 'cancer culture' term to be some arrogant waffle aimed at dismissing a perfectly valid term that counters progressive movements that are hardly liberal - only in as much as you agree with them.

I mean, the term is similarly abused as 'cringe' is, just from the other side. I do not like the abuse of both. And the title itself would not bother me that much if the lyrics of the song would not be so bad.

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As for insults, who called it 'kindergarden level' or 'cringe'? Those are veiled ways to shame someone's way of thinking, without insulting them personally. It follows that anyone who sees value in the name is metally a pre-pubescent kid, using phrases looked down upon by adults? Very clever but I know that game.

I am sorry, I did not mean to say it was you who has started it, I just wanted to emphasize that I see this too much in hopes it would no go that way and I am happy that it did not and you very well explained what you mean and I am thankful for that. We don't have to see eye to eye.

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Besides, you might as well criticise the fact there are only so many chords to choose from, so many possible cadences... So what?

Not a problem really, there are plenty of ways to express yourself still. You don't have to invent new things to be good. But too big derivations of past material is not something I like. I prefer a band experimenting and potentially failing at doing so. Even if the end product is not to my liking, experimentation is better than stagnation.

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Why, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. The last I looked it up in the Oxford Dictionary it was a perfectly acceptable term to describe a woman. This is precisely how 'cancer culture' wants to control how you think and view the world.

I just mentioned that, because it is usually meant in a derogatory manner. Sorry, but the internet is full of people, that use that word in a very bad way. I'm not trying to control you in any way, I'm happy that you meant it as just what it is and not attaching anything else to it. I'm not here to tell you how to live and how to speak. I just expressed my association. If you want to do it or not is totally up to you. And I didn't mean that the word is bad in every case. I just see it used in a bad way too often, that is why I wrote that.

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But now that you've poked at a regular word, I see your game. Starting with the veiled criticism of the 'cancer culture' title with the hackneyed 'cringe' term.
> Funny how accurately the term 'cancer culture' describes enforcing a single viewpoint and cancelling out all others.

I am not cancelling anything. Your viewpoint is as valid as mine. I am not trying to control anything. It is not up to me. Everyone of us has their own agency and their own experience and their own opinions. I'm sorry if my response has given off that tone, it was not what I wanted. And no I do not want to cancel anyone. I hope everyone is free to speak. But there has to be a freedom to disagree and also in severe cases, to call someone stupid based on what they said. And that goes both ways, if I say something stupid I want to know it!

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No, I don't subscribe to the view that you can claim one word is degrading simply because you prefer another and expecting everyone else to agree with you. And to wrap it all up with 'I hope you didn't'...

I am not expecting anyone to agree with me. Again, I stated my opinion, I am not a harbinger of absolute truths. Just another human with his own ideas and experiences. It doesn't make me any more than you are, but also not less. So, no, I am not trying to say you are objectively wrong, I just do not agree with you at all. You are entitled to speak and think any way you want.

This album is not nearly good enough to warrant this amount of debate.

I disagree. In my opinion, the album is fine and so is the debate. Slightly heated here and there (the debate), but civil.

One of the worst album titles. Something a 45 year old dad would name their album after finding out that people do not like racism. That's what it comes off. Musically, it's nothing special, the Rob Flynn feature is interesting ngl. Lyrics, are a bit bad. Just a below average album.

If we can have an album cover with the Islamic symbol over the rainbow flag we can have a death metal band have Cancer in its title. That's all I'm saying.