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Posted by Damnated, 11.07.2006 - 00:01
The following thing happened here, in Romania the other weeks, and it evolved into a big thing. A family returned from a holiday, and cuz it was very hot outside, on their way home, they stopped at a lake. The head of the family grew up near that place. They got in the lake, to have a swim. A young man came, and started to shout, saying, the lake is private proprety. Then he left, and called his father. The guy came with a shotgun, and started to shout at the swimming family, firing his gun. The swimers freaked out, and got out of the water, heading for their car. They got in, but the armed guy aproached to the car, and from 2 feet, he shot the guy in the head. He was 29 years old, had children and died on 09.07.

My question is this: do we need guns? Shure, we must protect our teritory, but by killing someone? (and not from self defence) . I know that in the US the 2nd amendment sais, that 'A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.'. But the world changed a lot since 1791...

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Do we need guns?

No
140
Yes
129

Total votes: 269
17.08.2007 - 21:48
Stalker
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Guns dont kill people - people kill people. Thats the biggest truth there. This story from 1st post is really horrible, I dont know what else to say about that, I just can feel sorry for that family. But can we really blame that
shotgun you mentioned?? I think its more reasonable to blame demented idiot who held it in his arms. I can bet that he didnt even had license for it, but thing is, he could kill that poor man or any other innocent person with bare hands or some rock as well.

With guns or without them, people will always kill each other. Thats the sad truth.
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27.08.2007 - 23:33
Ellie
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I don't think we need guns. I think that a person can defend them self other ways than pulling out a gun. I mean we are allowed to have guns in my country if one has a license. I don't think that the right to bear arms in America has been abused. Now as for the rest of the world..I don't know. So even though I don't think they have been abused in my country, I still think that they are scary and shouldn't be allowed. I witnessed a shooting once at a Seven Eleven and it was one of the most scariest things I have ever seen. If someone has a gone then they become godlike..anyone will do what they say. I just think guns are one of those things like money..people want them for power.
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28.08.2007 - 00:20
Stalker
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You probably know your country and law better than I do, but I think that USA is the country where firearms are abused THE MOST. Also, there are few really insane things in law, concerning guns, but that varies from state to state (still talking about US). For instance - you can get a licence for automatic weapon, if Im right - that isnt possible anywhere else in the civilised world.
Most of hunters from USA, should be eaten by wild animals IMO, theres a bunch of "hunters" that would kill a rabbit with grenade launcher.
I saw discussion on internet once, where mature man (he served as a paratrooper in USA for 10 years or so, at least he said so) who said he is hunter, wants to go hunting deers with AK-47. Thats insane!!
Most of you dont know what this means, but if theres a hunter or anybody who knows anything about weapons, knows what im talking about.

Lets say only this, to give you a closer picture: an AK-47 is automatic rifle, that can fire 30 bullets in 3 seconds, and its amunition isnt designed for hunting, so that deer could suffer for hours before it bleeds out and eventually dies.

Is it normal than for a man to posses such weapon, and go hunting with it?? Thats matter of law.
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28.08.2007 - 21:42
Ellrohir
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look at one Simpsons Halloween story, how it ended up when Lisa forced the world to get rid of all weapons - those two green aliens came and conquered whole world without weapons with spiked cub
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28.08.2007 - 21:47
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Written by Ellrohir on 28.08.2007 at 21:42

look at one Simpsons Halloween story, how it ended up when Lisa forced the world to get rid of all weapons - those two green aliens came and conquered whole world without weapons with spiked cub

Hhahah, thats possible too!
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02.09.2007 - 05:36
Arian Totalis
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Written by Stalker on 28.08.2007 at 00:20

You probably know your country and law better than I do, but I think that USA is the country where firearms are abused THE MOST. Also, there are few really insane things in law, concerning guns, but that varies from state to state (still talking about US). For instance - you can get a licence for automatic weapon, if Im right - that isnt possible anywhere else in the civilised world.
Most of hunters from USA, should be eaten by wild animals IMO, theres a bunch of "hunters" that would kill a rabbit with grenade launcher.
I saw discussion on internet once, where mature man (he served as a paratrooper in USA for 10 years or so, at least he said so) who said he is hunter, wants to go hunting deers with AK-47. Thats insane!!
Most of you dont know what this means, but if theres a hunter or anybody who knows anything about weapons, knows what im talking about.

Lets say only this, to give you a closer picture: an AK-47 is automatic rifle, that can fire 30 bullets in 3 seconds, and its amunition isnt designed for hunting, so that deer could suffer for hours before it bleeds out and eventually dies.

Is it normal than for a man to posses such weapon, and go hunting with it?? Thats matter of law.

I'm a hunter, should I be devoured by wild animals?

I have been taught ethics and honor when it comes to hunting. I always give the animal a fair chance, and I don't believe in using ultra high tech killing machines for hunting, just your basic 20 gauge works fine for dove, don't need a fuckin 50 cal. machine gun for that. If a mother fucker is hunting deer with an AK-47, first of all, that's illegal, even though some US citizens can own fully automatic firearms, you aren't allowed to use them, period. They are supposed to be for collectors use only. Second of all, that son of a bitch should be improsoned for life for that, if not for the fact that that's a cowardly thing to do.

Not all hunters are like that, though I am ahsamed to say I have been exposed to such a redneck, inbred, backwater, hick, trash like that. I wish they would all grow a brain.
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02.09.2007 - 13:09
Stalker
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Written by Arian Totalis on 02.09.2007 at 05:36

I'm a hunter, should I be devoured by wild animals?

Really??? Good for you man, I thought I am the only one here!
Of course you shouldnt be devoured by wild animals, you could see what Ive thought with that sentence, and who was my target. (you also mentioned such people)
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02.09.2007 - 17:14
Arian Totalis
The Philosopher
okie dokie
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06.09.2007 - 16:33
nehrodwarf
alright, on the original post the shoters exagerate a lot, why they don't shoot just to fear they?!

I though that have a strict control to obtain a firegun, the correct it's see the needing of gun, cuz it depends of what are you needing.

I think it!
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18.09.2007 - 21:55
?Master?
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i hate when ppl bash on guns
i lvoe guns i love shooting and shit
ima firm believer in guns dont kill people people kill people
cus u can kill someone with any blunt object a gun just does it quicke
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19.09.2007 - 10:01
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=25484] on 18.09.2007 at 21:55

i hate when ppl bash on guns
i lvoe guns i love shooting and shit
ima firm believer in guns dont kill people people kill people
cus u can kill someone with any blunt object a gun just does it quicke

Ppl ho us eguns kill pll IMO its be better if guns can only use army and cops not private persons, no hunters no home guns, guns not psoible by and so on
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19.09.2007 - 18:40
April.Ethereal87
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Guns are only good for self-defense, And most of the time not even that.

Sure, In America we have background checks and all that stuff, But let's be honest, how many gun shops do you think actually DO them?
And then that leads to criminals getting weapons, and 9 times out of 10, they will be some high powered assault rifle.

People have the right to own a gun for self defense, but shooting a man in front of his family because they were in a lake that was Supposedly "private" property is taking it to an extreme.

I don't really know how I feel about this, In some senses, Mainly self defense, It's good to just have the option available if things.. escalate I guess, But of all the crime committed in America, And everywhere else for that matter, In how many instances have you heard of somebody having to shoot and kill somebody in the name of defense? it doesn't happen often.

On the other side, if we had a military with no weapons, nobody would get very far. because obviously, people can't just talk like normal human beings, We have to go in and Invade other people countries.. thanks to our asshole president


Im not saying guns are evil, and if you own one your a bastard, My uncle collects guns as a hobby, he occasionally takes them out to go shooting, and that's ok with me, it's just when people take that idea to the extreme that shit starts to fly.
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19.09.2007 - 20:07
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 18:40

Guns are only good for self-defense, And most of the time not even that.

Sure, In America we have background checks and all that stuff, But let's be honest, how many gun shops do you think actually DO them?
And then that leads to criminals getting weapons, and 9 times out of 10, they will be some high powered assault rifle.

But its alos historical point of wiew you know Wild West ad stuff those shootings hepening even nowdays only lil 'morenised' or I say more primitiv
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19.09.2007 - 20:11
April.Ethereal87
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Written by Bad English on 19.09.2007 at 20:07

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 18:40

Guns are only good for self-defense, And most of the time not even that.

Sure, In America we have background checks and all that stuff, But let's be honest, how many gun shops do you think actually DO them?
And then that leads to criminals getting weapons, and 9 times out of 10, they will be some high powered assault rifle.

But its alos historical point of wiew you know Wild West ad stuff those shootings hepening even nowdays only lil 'morenised' or I say more primitiv

Yeah, I s'pose that's true aswell.
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19.09.2007 - 20:14
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:11

Written by Bad English on 19.09.2007 at 20:07

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 18:40

Guns are only good for self-defense, And most of the time not even that.

Sure, In America we have background checks and all that stuff, But let's be honest, how many gun shops do you think actually DO them?
And then that leads to criminals getting weapons, and 9 times out of 10, they will be some high powered assault rifle.

But its alos historical point of wiew you know Wild West ad stuff those shootings hepening even nowdays only lil 'morenised' or I say more primitiv

Yeah, I s'pose that's true aswell.

Alos remeber Man whit big couts and Tommsonor Pump Acction under it who kills those who broke 'omerta' in all USA cases I btter had been shooted from Mafia, some Sheriff but not of npwdays Brocklin or Bronks idiotic hip hop gang members
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19.09.2007 - 20:23
April.Ethereal87
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Written by Bad English on 19.09.2007 at 20:14

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:11

Written by Bad English on 19.09.2007 at 20:07

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 18:40

Guns are only good for self-defense, And most of the time not even that.

Sure, In America we have background checks and all that stuff, But let's be honest, how many gun shops do you think actually DO them?
And then that leads to criminals getting weapons, and 9 times out of 10, they will be some high powered assault rifle.

But its alos historical point of wiew you know Wild West ad stuff those shootings hepening even nowdays only lil 'morenised' or I say more primitiv

Yeah, I s'pose that's true aswell.

Alos remeber Man whit big couts and Tommsonor Pump Acction under it who kills those who broke 'omerta' in all USA cases I btter had been shooted from Mafia, some Sheriff but not of npwdays Brocklin or Bronks idiotic hip hop gang members

pretty much. now-a-days in the US, guns seem to fall into the hands of gangs and whatnot, all it does is create more crime in cities that allready have big crime problems.
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19.09.2007 - 20:28
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:23



pretty much. now-a-days in the US, guns seem to fall into the hands of gangs and whatnot, all it does is create more crime in cities that allready have big crime problems.

I doubt Don BLABLABLA would send a man whit Tomson shoot you because of your look, but some hip hop gangster can do it because of your look and even Opeth taatoo what you had, its big diference between those days and nowdays its a BRAIN and iNTELECT of gangsters
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19.09.2007 - 20:35
April.Ethereal87
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yeah, well Even our "law enforcement" can't control alot of the crime, because the drug dealers and criminals find ways to get high power assault weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing.
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19.09.2007 - 20:57
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Tage Westerlund
Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:35

yeah, well Even our "law enforcement" can't control alot of the crime, because the drug dealers and criminals find ways to get high power assault weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing.

Gourement are blame eto all crimes and such thinks I dont wanna discuss it here but its true
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20.09.2007 - 15:37
Stalker
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Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:35

yeah, well Even our "law enforcement" can't control alot of the crime, because the drug dealers and criminals find ways to get high power assault weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I think all weapons are designed to kill Arent they??
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20.09.2007 - 17:39
April.Ethereal87
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Written by Stalker on 20.09.2007 at 15:37

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:35

yeah, well Even our "law enforcement" can't control alot of the crime, because the drug dealers and criminals find ways to get high power assault weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I think all weapons are designed to kill Arent they??

Well, they have "less leathal" Ammunition that you can use, But in a sense, yes, all weapons are designed to kill. Some just more than others.
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20.09.2007 - 19:10
Stalker
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Written by [user id=25764] on 20.09.2007 at 17:39

Written by Stalker on 20.09.2007 at 15:37

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:35

yeah, well Even our "law enforcement" can't control alot of the crime, because the drug dealers and criminals find ways to get high power assault weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I think all weapons are designed to kill Arent they??

Well, they have "less leathal" Ammunition that you can use, But in a sense, yes, all weapons are designed to kill. Some just more than others.

Well, yeah, there are stun guns, rubber bullets, and stuff like that.... But essentially, if its weapon - its lethal.
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21.09.2007 - 10:10
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Tage Westerlund
Written by Stalker on 20.09.2007 at 19:10

Written by [user id=25764] on 20.09.2007 at 17:39

Written by Stalker on 20.09.2007 at 15:37

Written by [user id=25764] on 19.09.2007 at 20:35

yeah, well Even our "law enforcement" can't control alot of the crime, because the drug dealers and criminals find ways to get high power assault weapons designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I think all weapons are designed to kill Arent they??

Well, they have "less leathal" Ammunition that you can use, But in a sense, yes, all weapons are designed to kill. Some just more than others.

Well, yeah, there are stun guns, rubber bullets, and stuff like that.... But essentially, if its weapon - its lethal.

Rubber bullets suchs its hard days for Delije and Gaybori then ask Aronax he one was kicked by stick
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08.11.2007 - 08:39
BurbotsRevenge
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i voted no - we dont need guns - that would just create more havoc and chaos
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08.11.2007 - 11:05
Woutjinho
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no. look at the usa, every retard has a gun and use it to protect themselves. but its not alowed to use it.
of course you will use it in a situation where another retard is holding a gun at your head

instead of a normal fight where it ends in the hospital with bruces and a broken nose,
people will shoot each other kill other people and this ends at the cemetary
look at the death rate from the usa by fights and compare it to other countries
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13.11.2007 - 19:31
Stalker
Lone wanderer
Written by [user id=26136] on 08.11.2007 at 11:05

no. look at the usa, every retard has a gun and use it to protect themselves. but its not alowed to use it.
of course you will use it in a situation where another retard is holding a gun at your head

instead of a normal fight where it ends in the hospital with bruces and a broken nose,
people will shoot each other kill other people and this ends at the cemetary
look at the death rate from the usa by fights and compare it to other countries

Yeah, but not in all countries are gun laws so loose like in USA.
Over here its pretty though, and if you make any minor offense, (even weapon unrelated), you wont see your gun anymore, nor you will be able to get license for it anymore in your life.
And other thing is, some freak jumps in front of you with shotgun, what would be your first wish, to make bruises on him, or shoot and save you life??
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13.11.2007 - 20:29
Woutjinho
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Written by Stalker on 13.11.2007 at 19:31

Written by [user id=26136] on 08.11.2007 at 11:05

no. look at the usa, every retard has a gun and use it to protect themselves. but its not alowed to use it.
of course you will use it in a situation where another retard is holding a gun at your head

instead of a normal fight where it ends in the hospital with bruces and a broken nose,
people will shoot each other kill other people and this ends at the cemetary
look at the death rate from the usa by fights and compare it to other countries

Yeah, but not in all countries are gun laws so loose like in USA.
Over here its pretty though, and if you make any minor offense, (even weapon unrelated), you wont see your gun anymore, nor you will be able to get license for it anymore in your life.
And other thing is, some freak jumps in front of you with shotgun, what would be your first wish, to make bruises on him, or shoot and save you life??

when guns are forbidden in any way, much less people will have guns. (people will get it illegally, but thats much harder to get as well)
then you just have a very bad day when a freak with a shotguns jumps in front of you.
when guns are allowed, just for a few of you, its more common to see some lunatic with a gun in front of you
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13.11.2007 - 20:34
Stalker
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Written by [user id=26136] on 13.11.2007 at 20:29

Written by Stalker on 13.11.2007 at 19:31

Written by [user id=26136] on 08.11.2007 at 11:05

no. look at the usa, every retard has a gun and use it to protect themselves. but its not alowed to use it.
of course you will use it in a situation where another retard is holding a gun at your head

instead of a normal fight where it ends in the hospital with bruces and a broken nose,
people will shoot each other kill other people and this ends at the cemetary
look at the death rate from the usa by fights and compare it to other countries

Yeah, but not in all countries are gun laws so loose like in USA.
Over here its pretty though, and if you make any minor offense, (even weapon unrelated), you wont see your gun anymore, nor you will be able to get license for it anymore in your life.
And other thing is, some freak jumps in front of you with shotgun, what would be your first wish, to make bruises on him, or shoot and save you life??

when guns are forbidden in any way, much less people will have guns. (people will get it illegally, but thats much harder to get as well)
then you just have a very bad day when a freak with a shotguns jumps in front of you.
when guns are allowed, just for a few of you, its more common to see some lunatic with a gun in front of you

Actually, I dont think so. Because, not anyone can have guns, and escpecially if you have any criminal record, you wont get it, and there are many more factors, that I can explain if you want, but generally, majority of those who commited a crime with weapons, had it illegally. And it is very easy to get then illegally, trust me. You just have to know people , and pay. An dthe other side, well its much more bothering than you would expect.
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13.11.2007 - 21:04
Woutjinho
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Written by Stalker on 13.11.2007 at 20:34

Written by [user id=26136] on 13.11.2007 at 20:29

Written by Stalker on 13.11.2007 at 19:31

Written by [user id=26136] on 08.11.2007 at 11:05

no. look at the usa, every retard has a gun and use it to protect themselves. but its not alowed to use it.
of course you will use it in a situation where another retard is holding a gun at your head

instead of a normal fight where it ends in the hospital with bruces and a broken nose,
people will shoot each other kill other people and this ends at the cemetary
look at the death rate from the usa by fights and compare it to other countries

Yeah, but not in all countries are gun laws so loose like in USA.
Over here its pretty though, and if you make any minor offense, (even weapon unrelated), you wont see your gun anymore, nor you will be able to get license for it anymore in your life.
And other thing is, some freak jumps in front of you with shotgun, what would be your first wish, to make bruises on him, or shoot and save you life??

when guns are forbidden in any way, much less people will have guns. (people will get it illegally, but thats much harder to get as well)
then you just have a very bad day when a freak with a shotguns jumps in front of you.
when guns are allowed, just for a few of you, its more common to see some lunatic with a gun in front of you

Actually, I dont think so. Because, not anyone can have guns, and escpecially if you have any criminal record, you wont get it, and there are many more factors, that I can explain if you want, but generally, majority of those who commited a crime with weapons, had it illegally. And it is very easy to get then illegally, trust me. You just have to know people , and pay. An dthe other side, well its much more bothering than you would expect.

when people can get it legally, people can sell it much easier and cheaper and much more guns will be there in the country.
but it depends on what you think is safe. I think the less guns there are is safer than the more guns people have
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13.11.2007 - 21:12
Stalker
Lone wanderer
Written by [user id=26136] on 13.11.2007 at 21:04


when people can get it legally, people can sell it much easier and cheaper and much more guns will be there in the country.
but it depends on what you think is safe. I think the less guns there are is safer than the more guns people have

Of course, you are right there. The less - the better. Thats where law comes in. To keep the guns away from those who shouldnt posses them.
But, if you buy weapon LEGALLY, you cannot sell it ILLEGALLY.

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