Written by [user id=101272] on 25.03.2011 at 22:42

More than Rappers anyway.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 23:04

Written by [user id=101272] on 25.03.2011 at 22:42

More than Rappers anyway.

That's a pretty bold statement.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 23:04

Written by [user id=101272] on 25.03.2011 at 22:42

More than Rappers anyway.

That's a pretty bold statement.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 23:18

What average American rappers are we talking about? Is this all because of a language barrier?

Gangsters (hoodlums, whatever your term) have their own dialect; it's no different than when I'm talking with someone from the UK and they throw around a heap of words that mean other things on this side of the ocean. Hip hop moguls and rap artists aren't any less intelligent than your average metal musician (and this goes for fans of both styles).

In fact, rap and metal are incredibly similar in terms of their message, marketing scheme, image, target audience, etc.

The next thing you're going to tell me is 50 Cent isn't smart. It's not like he's responsible for one of modern-day's most prominent strategy books.

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 00:05

One big long excuse for not being able to speak their native tongue properly. We call this ignorance. Samething with southern US English both dialects from poor education.

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 00:05

Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 23:18

What average American rappers are we talking about? Is this all because of a language barrier?

Gangsters (hoodlums, whatever your term) have their own dialect; it's no different than when I'm talking with someone from the UK and they throw around a heap of words that mean other things on this side of the ocean. Hip hop moguls and rap artists aren't any less intelligent than your average metal musician (and this goes for fans of both styles).

In fact, rap and metal are incredibly similar in terms of their message, marketing scheme, image, target audience, etc.

The next thing you're going to tell me is 50 Cent isn't smart. It's not like he's responsible for one of modern-day's most prominent strategy books.

One big long excuse for not being able to speak their native tongue properly. We call this ignorance. Samething with southern US English both dialects from poor education.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 00:43

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 00:05

One big long excuse for not being able to speak their native tongue properly. We call this ignorance. Samething with southern US English both dialects from poor education.

"The ability to speak does not make [one] intelligent."

Intelligence exists in many forms, including societal consciousness - something rap artists (and metal musicians) have in abundance. Just because Tupac said "it ain't no big deal" instead of "it isn't a big deal" doesn't mean he is a victim of illiteracy; on the contrary, he was a poet in addition to his career as a rap artist.

Of course, not everyone who speaks a broken dialect of English is a poet or even consciously aware of any significant events transpiring in the world around them, but you can't rule out an entire nation or culture based on one rather uneducated* assumption (unless of course you have numbers to back up your statements, in which case I will readily concede to your belief that it is in fact all one big long excuse for not being able to speak English properly).

* pardon the pun, in all seriousness

Written by Doc G. on 26.03.2011 at 00:52

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 00:05

Written by Troy Killjoy on 25.03.2011 at 23:18

What average American rappers are we talking about? Is this all because of a language barrier?

Gangsters (hoodlums, whatever your term) have their own dialect; it's no different than when I'm talking with someone from the UK and they throw around a heap of words that mean other things on this side of the ocean. Hip hop moguls and rap artists aren't any less intelligent than your average metal musician (and this goes for fans of both styles).

In fact, rap and metal are incredibly similar in terms of their message, marketing scheme, image, target audience, etc.

The next thing you're going to tell me is 50 Cent isn't smart. It's not like he's responsible for one of modern-day's most prominent strategy books.

One big long excuse for not being able to speak their native tongue properly. We call this ignorance. Samething with southern US English both dialects from poor education.

Not to sound rude, but that is possibly the whitest statement I've ever heard. It's a sub-culture language in which certain words or slang holds different meanings than the textbook norm. It doesn't necessarily speak of poor education, and it certainly does not speak of lack of intelligence. I highly doubt many of these people are completely ignorant of proper English. Just different is all. To state otherwise just seems like an ignorant assumption based on watching too many episodes of "Cops".

By the way, that 50 Cent book is actually fairly interesting, much of it pretty typical of a lot of self-empowerment books, but it actually isn't bad judging from the excerpts I've read.

Like I said before, any detractors of other music-based subcultures can be applied to Metalheads as well.

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 00:55

Lastly no I can tell you're way too arrogant to concede anything, don't bullshit me.

Written by Doc G. on 26.03.2011 at 00:52

By the way, that 50 Cent book is actually fairly interesting, much of it pretty typical of a lot of self-empowerment books, but it actually isn't bad judging from the excerpts I've read.

Like I said before, any detractors of other music-based subcultures can be applied to Metalheads as well.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 01:03

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 00:55

Lastly no I can tell you're way too arrogant to concede anything, don't bullshit me.

You call out a lot of people on issues in this thread I'd venture you suffer from yourself. I also appreciate your assumption that I'm arrogant when in fact I was looking forward to you proving me wrong.

I think it's best if we no longer discuss matters, as I see the forums as a means of communicating, not arguing for the sake of arguing. I've got a punching bag for that.

Oh ya, enjoy your stay. :

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 01:12

lol oh please stop trying to spin the tables back, it's little more than annoying.

Lets go through the incorrect things you posted, my brother, a Linguistic speaking I don't know anymore, 7 languages is going to help me with this while I get ready for my date with my bf. So from the expert himself.....

1, the term Ebonics was NOT created by, nor used by Linguists
2, it is NOT a dialected as it's not regional.
3, it IS a cultural sign, a means of indenification.
4, It's also a means of excluding others, a racial buffer so to speak.
5, Ask a person to sit down and write you an article on any given subject, chances are the vast majority of the time they will NOT be able to do it with out use some ebonics here and there due to their piss poor lexicology. Thus the substitution of these words is in fact ignorance.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 01:38

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 01:12

lol oh please stop trying to spin the tables back, it's little more than annoying.

Lets go through the incorrect things you posted, my brother, a Linguistic speaking I don't know anymore, 7 languages is going to help me with this while I get ready for my date with my bf. So from the expert himself.....

1, the term Ebonics was NOT created by, nor used by Linguists
2, it is NOT a dialected as it's not regional.
3, it IS a cultural sign, a means of indenification.
4, It's also a means of excluding others, a racial buffer so to speak.
5, Ask a person to sit down and write you an article on any given subject, chances are the vast majority of the time they will NOT be able to do it with out use some ebonics here and there due to their piss poor lexicology. Thus the substitution of these words is in fact ignorance.

In all honesty, I'm really not following this comment at all. What are those 5 points proving, that I was incorrect about - now we're getting specific here - black people (or...Southerners? Both?) not being able to speak English properly? I know that's a lot of question marks but I'm just confused by your explanation of Ebonics and how it relates to whether or not metalheads are more intelligent than the average person (the average person, in this case, being a rapper I suppose).

Or is this not even related and you're just upset that I "stand up for ignorance"?

The end result of this conversation will likely be a mutual regret for ever having started it, but there is a possibility one of us could learn something here. Otherwise this whole thread will end up like Homer's house in Fat&Sassy's video link.

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 01:44

See you won't concede anything, that's twice you lied about that so I think you need an ignore.

"Of course, not everyone who speaks a broken dialect of English is a poet" - proved you wrong about that.

You brought up 50cent as well, not just rappers use Ebonics so it's no form of art, wrong there.

The other points are to explain to you that those people can't actually just suddenly speak proper English.

Lastly I won't regret a thing, I ignore you, this ends. And then your ego doesn't have to worry about conceding a thing and your tiny penis syndrome can continue.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 01:56

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 01:44

See you won't concede anything, that's twice you lied about that so I think you need an ignore.

"Of course, not everyone who speaks a broken dialect of English is a poet" - proved you wrong about that.

You brought up 50cent as well, not just rappers use Ebonics so it's no form of art, wrong there.

The other points are to explain to you that those people can't actually just suddenly speak proper English.

Lastly I won't regret a thing, I ignore you, this ends. And then your ego doesn't have to worry about conceding a thing and your tiny penis syndrome can continue. .

Of course I'm not going to concede to anything you say because you want me to, I'll concede when I've been proven wrong.

As for proving me wrong about "of course, not everyone who speaks a broken dialect of English is a poet"...you mean to say everyone is a poet? (Double negative, right?)
And I brought up 50 Cent because he co-wrote a strategy book, meaning he's not illiterate. I never mentioned that being a form of art.

But as long as I have my tiny penis and my (presumably) inflated ego, I should be just fine.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 00:43

"The ability to speak does not make [one] intelligent."

Intelligence exists in many forms, including societal consciousness - something rap artists (and metal musicians) have in abundance. Just because Tupac said "it ain't no big deal" instead of "it isn't a big deal" doesn't mean he is a victim of illiteracy; on the contrary, he was a poet in addition to his career as a rap artist.

Of course, not everyone who speaks a broken dialect of English is a poet or even consciously aware of any significant events transpiring in the world around them, but you can't rule out an entire nation or culture based on one rather uneducated* assumption (unless of course you have numbers to back up your statements, in which case I will readily concede to your belief that it is in fact all one big long excuse for not being able to speak English properly).

* pardon the pun, in all seriousness

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 01:59

Ignored, I was quoting you, YoU iz Stupidz. Maybe you understand this better? Woah can't ignore the staff? Now that's some BS, I'm not even about to put up with this dude, I'd rather leave. Terrible to have put up with some kid or leave, how about you just never address me again unless you've bussiness with me, that'll work.

Written by [user id=111774] on 26.03.2011 at 19:42

How the hell did a debate about ebonics come on a thread discussing metalheads intelligence?

Written by Doc G. on 26.03.2011 at 11:45

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 01:59

Ignored, I was quoting you, YoU iz Stupidz. Maybe you understand this better? Woah can't ignore the staff? Now that's some BS, I'm not even about to put up with this dude, I'd rather leave. Terrible to have put up with some kid or leave, how about you just never address me again unless you've bussiness with me, that'll work.

My turn.

First of all, I made the assumption you weren't white based on your name (generalizing here, but I've met plenty of Yasmines or Yasmins in my life, none of which have been white). So I think you completely missed the point that I was trying to make with that joke.

Anyways, I'll be out and open with you - the way you're responding to Troy is frankly completely...well, insane. If you read his posts (which I hope you do eventually, instead of continuing to step into totally irrelevant territory,) you will notice he wasn't hostile in the slightest, perhaps a little sarcastic in the topic as a whole, but nothing more, and certainly nothing that condones the behaviour you seem to be sporting toward him, so I hope you more consideration into your future responses. It seems like you suffer from some sort of inferiority complex, seeing as how you fly off the handle over a silly civil disagreement, or the way you go into immense over-analyzing into details that aren't relevant.

The reason you have completely failed in this argument, is that you have yet to prove anything. Instead your only point to support your argument is that linguists have never used the term "ebonics", which is quite a broad, vague statement. But I'll play Devils advocate here for a second, assuming they are uneducated, how does that make them less intelligent?

The one of the main reasons ebonics is never really written into any formal writings is it's a language based almost as heavily on the rhythmic pattern of words as the words themselves.

As far as turning the tables, thats not what I am trying to do, I'm trying to point out that there is no correlation between the intelligence of certain music fans, and their music.

To sum things up, you've replied with a bunch of rude comments, declaring how you disagree with us, yet you really fail to go anywhere past that.

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 20:50

Written by [user id=111774] on 26.03.2011 at 19:42

How the hell did a debate about ebonics come on a thread discussing metalheads intelligence?

I still don't know. If you discover the answer in the future, please quote me in this thread and share it with me.

Written by Yasmine on 26.03.2011 at 23:33

...so that black kids could pass English, because they can't pass an English class that kids from India, France and other exchange programs can pass with English as their 2nd and 3rd language...

Written by BitterCOld on 26.03.2011 at 23:37

Written by Troy Killjoy on 26.03.2011 at 20:50

Written by [user id=111774] on 26.03.2011 at 19:42

How the hell did a debate about ebonics come on a thread discussing metalheads intelligence?

I still don't know. If you discover the answer in the future, please quote me in this thread and share it with me.

i use ebonics regularly in my reviews... kvlt, grim, necro, satam, tr00...

Written by BitterCOld on 26.03.2011 at 23:37

i use ebonics regularly in my reviews... kvlt, grim, necro, satam, tr00...