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Good list, reminds me of my teen years. Pretty sure I had all of these.
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I've only listened to Botch and Kvelertak, so I don't have the slightest idea about how good the rest are. Anyway, I might come back to check out the albums on this list.
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Written by Monolithic on 05.08.2013 at 16:10
I've only listened to Botch and Kvelertak, so I don't have the slightest idea about how good the rest are. Anyway, I might come back to check out the albums on this list.
Wow, I actually forgot this list exists
Well, metalcore is actually a very diverse genre if we interpret it liberally (meaning almost anything that has significant elements of both metal and hardcore punk music) and I put many different kinda of stuff here, some are melodic and accessible, some are dissonant, chaotic and dark, so chances are you'd find something else here you'd like.
Now that I got reminded I made this I may expand it a bit, I have a couple of other stuff in mind I'd add .
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Written by Uldreth on 05.08.2013 at 16:26
Written by Monolithic on 05.08.2013 at 16:10
I've only listened to Botch and Kvelertak, so I don't have the slightest idea about how good the rest are. Anyway, I might come back to check out the albums on this list.
Wow, I actually forgot this list exists
Well, metalcore is actually a very diverse genre if we interpret it liberally (meaning almost anything that has significant elements of both metal and hardcore punk music) and I put many different kinda of stuff here, some are melodic and accessible, some are dissonant, chaotic and dark, so chances are you'd find something else here you'd like.
Now that I got reminded I made this I may expand it a bit, I have a couple of other stuff in mind I'd add .
Metalcore is a misunderstood story, Me thinks.
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I expanded the list, adding quite a few albums to it.
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Not a bad list, actually. I'm impressed.
If you don't mind, I got some recommendations (notably from more popular bands, yet underappreciated albums):
Killswitch Engage - Alive Or Just Breathing (Good KsE with Jesse Leach on vox before the dreaded Jones-era)
I, The Breather - These Are My Sins (Sort of progressive-ish metalcore)
As I Lay Dying - An Ocean Between Us (Either this or their latest could be their best)
All That Remains - The Fall Of Ideals (The picture of stereotypical metalcore, but a good and catchy album nonetheless. And the last good one before they went to shitsville.)
Trivium - Shogun (Metallica-worshipping thrash/metalcore, but this is definately their best)
God Forbid - IV: Constitution Of Treason
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Written by [user id=101272] on 08.08.2013 at 23:58
Not a bad list, actually. I'm impressed.
If you don't mind, I got some recommendations (notably from more popular bands, yet underappreciated albums):
Killswitch Engage - Alive Or Just Breathing (Good KsE with Jesse Leach on vox before the dreaded Jones-era)
I, The Breather - These Are My Sins (Sort of progressive-ish metalcore)
As I Lay Dying - An Ocean Between Us (Either this or their latest could be their best)
All That Remains - The Fall Of Ideals (The picture of stereotypical metalcore, but a good and catchy album nonetheless. And the last good one before they went to shitsville.)
Trivium - Shogun (Metallica-worshipping thrash/metalcore, but this is definately their best)
God Forbid - IV: Constitution Of Treason
Thanks for the input!
I will definitely add KsE, dunno why I missed it, they definitely were an important band for the genre and that album is damn fine on its own too.
My original intent with this list was only to add really EXCELLENT albums and historically important albums, but since then I started adding tons of underground stuffs that are good but not THAT excellent so I guess I can just transform this into an ultimate metalcore list and include everything I consider to be an enjoyable listen.
In that regard, AILD, ITB and ATR are definitely players too (ITB, if for nothing else then the vocals, their vocalist is a fucking beast, I really don't get how he manages to scream with so insane charisma and conviction but I damn wish I could sound like that).
God Forbid and Trivium I am not sure about, I consider both to be more alternative thrash than metalcore, also I am no Trivium hater, I like pretty much all their albums except The Crusade, but they are really not that good.
Would absolutely give a spot to "Gone Forever" though, that album is just really really good. But much more thrash than metalcore.
That is why I also left Shadows Fall and Sylosis off it.
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Written by Uldreth on 09.08.2013 at 02:39
Thanks for the input!
I will definitely add KsE, dunno why I missed it, they definitely were an important band for the genre and that album is damn fine on its own too.
My original intent with this list was only to add really EXCELLENT albums and historically important albums, but since then I started adding tons of underground stuffs that are good but not THAT excellent so I guess I can just transform this into an ultimate metalcore list and include everything I consider to be an enjoyable listen.
In that regard, AILD, ITB and ATR are definitely players too (ITB, if for nothing else then the vocals, their vocalist is a fucking beast, I really don't get how he manages to scream with so insane charisma and conviction but I damn wish I could sound like that).
God Forbid and Trivium I am not sure about, I consider both to be more alternative thrash than metalcore, also I am no Trivium hater, I like pretty much all their albums except The Crusade, but they are really not that good.
Would absolutely give a spot to "Gone Forever" though, that album is just really really good. But much more thrash than metalcore.
That is why I also left Shadows Fall and Sylosis off it.
Anytime. Just happy to see an actually good metalcore list on this site, and I can totally understand refraining from including bands like Trivium and Shadows Fall, but I think of the four questionable bands, Trivium can be considered the most metalcore out of them. Figured they go with the more outlandish variety of the list, along the likes of The Ocean and Converge (which, on that note, aren't really mathcore).
At any rate, keep up the good work.
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Written by [user id=101272] on 08.08.2013 at 23:58
Killswitch Engage - Alive Or Just Breathing (Good KsE with Jesse Leach on vox before the dreaded Jones-era)
As I Lay Dying - An Ocean Between Us (Either this or their latest could be their best)
All That Remains - The Fall Of Ideals (The picture of stereotypical metalcore, but a good and catchy album nonetheless. And the last good one before they went to shitsville.)
Trivium - Shogun (Metallica-worshipping thrash/metalcore, but this is definately their best)
KsE - Alive or Just Breathing, agreed. (Also agreed about Jones being dreaded, so glad when I found out about Jesse's return!)
AILD - An Ocean Between Us, agreed.
ATR - The Fall of Ideals, agreed.
Trivium's Shogun metalcore? That was NOT a metalcore album. O.o
BTW Unearth's The Oncoming Storm is far superior to all of their other albums.
Some other's for you to check out:
The Agonist - Lullabies For the Dormant Mind
Avenged Sevenfold - Waking the Fallen
Bleeding Through - This Is Love, This Is Murder
I Killed The Prom Queen - Music For the Recently Deceased
Mendeed - The Dead Live By Love
Silent Civilian - Rebirth of the Temple
Sworn Enemy - Maniacal
Times Of Grace - The Hymn of a Broken Man
Trivium - Ascendancy
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Written by Uldreth on 09.08.2013 at 02:39
God Forbid and Trivium I am not sure about, I consider both to be more alternative thrash than metalcore, also I am no Trivium hater, I like pretty much all their albums except The Crusade, but they are really not that good.
Would absolutely give a spot to "Gone Forever" though, that album is just really really good. But much more thrash than metalcore.
That is why I also left Shadows Fall and Sylosis off it.
-God Forbid's Gone Forever was quite metalcore, after that though they are more thrash than metalcore.
-Trivium started very metalcore but have grown quite away from metalcore. Ascendancy was their last actual metalcore album.
-Shadows Fall was never metalcore, they started out as melodeath with Phil Labonte and then went thrash after he left.
-Sylosis are not metalcore either, they are melodeath/thrash. Though they did have some metalcore-esque moments in their first couple EPs, it was never enough to actually call them a metalcore band.
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Concur that Shadows Fall are more thrash than metalcore, except for the strong use of clean vocals on chorus with harsh vocals on the verses.
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Written by [user id=101272] on 09.08.2013 at 04:15
Anytime. Just happy to see an actually good metalcore list on this site, and I can totally understand refraining from including bands like Trivium and Shadows Fall, but I think of the four questionable bands, Trivium can be considered the most metalcore out of them. Figured they go with the more outlandish variety of the list, along the likes of The Ocean and Converge (which, on that note, aren't really mathcore).
At any rate, keep up the good work.
Converge is definitely a textbook case of metalcore, just not from the Gothenburg-influenced variety.
As for the inclusion of The Ocean Collective and some other iffy bands, basically, my idea is that I take "metalcore" as a very broad term that includes pretty much every hardcore and metal fusions. Now I do have to draw the line somewhere, dunno how to explain it, how I view hardcore punk is that there was an original hardcore sound, like the one done by Dead Kennedys or Black Flag, that was just more extreme punk rock music, and in time that evolved into a different sound that is still definitely hardcore punk, one slower, more downtuned, one that has the iconic breakdown, etc. In my experience most metalcore has THAT sort of hardcore punk in their music.
So I view any hxc-metal fusion as metalcore as long as it has that sort of hardcore in them, which is why I do not view MOST grindcore (just really really extreme punk with no metal) and sludge (if it is the Crowbar/Acid Bath type sludge) as metalcore.
The sort of hardcore The Ocean has I'd say it is much closer to the 90s hardcore, which is why I have them here.
Similar philosophy on the inclusion of Celeste and Kvelertak. Neither are traditionally "metalcore" but I think the broad term fits there.
Written by psykometal on 09.08.2013 at 06:08
KsE - Alive or Just Breathing, agreed. (Also agreed about Jones being dreaded, so glad when I found out about Jesse's return!)
AILD - An Ocean Between Us, agreed.
ATR - The Fall of Ideals, agreed.
Trivium's Shogun metalcore? That was NOT a metalcore album. O.o
BTW Unearth's The Oncoming Storm is far superior to all of their other albums.
Some other's for you to check out:
The Agonist - Lullabies For the Dormant Mind
Avenged Sevenfold - Waking the Fallen
Bleeding Through - This Is Love, This Is Murder
I Killed The Prom Queen - Music For the Recently Deceased
Mendeed - The Dead Live By Love
Silent Civilian - Rebirth of the Temple
Sworn Enemy - Maniacal
Times Of Grace - The Hymn of a Broken Man
Trivium - Ascendancy
I like the new Unearth a bit more than Storm . More melodic and accessible but also has just a bit better songwriting I'd say.
Also thanks for your list, Mendeed and Sworn Enemy are unknown to me so will check them when I get the time.
I don't like BT that much so will leave them out, as for A7X and IKTPQ, not sure, I am generally not a conformist in my tastes but I also don't want to destroy the list's credibility by adding really universally maligned albums even if I think they are unfairly maligned (Waking The Fallen I like a lot actually), but then again, fuck the haters, that long-titled Faithealer demo makes my list totally trve kvlt .
I guess you are right about God Forbid and Trivium, will probably include both Gone Forever and Ascendancy.
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Uldreth
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Added Phinehas:
These guys can shred like madmen and are damn good.
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LeKiwi High Fist Prog
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Definitely need to add Today I Caught The Plague to this list.
While the website says their most recent album Lore isn't metalcore, they have just about as much of it in them as BtBaM so....
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Uldreth
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Written by LeKiwi on 01.09.2013 at 13:33
Definitely need to add Today I Caught The Plague to this list.
While the website says their most recent album Lore isn't metalcore, they have just about as much of it in them as BtBaM so....
Consider it done.
I don't see much similiarities with BtBaM to be fair, but if The Human Abstract and Hope For The Dying are metalcore then so is this.
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Written by Uldreth on 07.09.2013 at 16:47
I don't see much similiarities with BtBaM to be fair, but if The Human Abstract and Hope For The Dying are metalcore then so is this.
I only meant they were similar in that they both possess only a trace of metalcore influence
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Uldreth
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Updated a bit.
Also looking for metalcore/post-metal fusion bands similiar to Devil Sold His Soul and Amia Venera Landscape if anyone is familiar with some.
(aside from the ones on the list I am also familiar with Rinoa and Trenches, but I think that's about it)
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So... are you ever gonna get around to that deathcore list? Cause honestly I was kinda looking forward to that, since this list introduced me to a lot of good shit I figured the DC one would, too.
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I'd be interested in poking through a deathcore list like this one. I could even recommend some albums.
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Uldreth
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Written by [user id=101272] on 26.03.2014 at 18:04
So... are you ever gonna get around to that deathcore list? Cause honestly I was kinda looking forward to that, since this list introduced me to a lot of good shit I figured the DC one would, too.
Due to lack of interest in this, I originally did not want to make any more -core lists, but then I'll do it. Need some time to properly compile stuff but will get around it.
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Uldreth
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Actually, was faster than I imagined, the list is up and running, so enjoy!
Recs are more than welcome.
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Ilham Giant robot
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I'm slowly getting there. Damn it takes time. I see Silent Planet made it .
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Written by Ilham on 13.01.2015 at 02:21
I'm slowly getting there. Damn it takes time. I see Silent Planet made it .
Well, it's an impressive album, so why not?
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