Written by Mattybu on 19.03.2012 at 04:43
Agreed, they have basically sealed their fate as irrelevant by refusing to evolve over the years also. Could have guessed almost every point in this review 100% before reading it.

"Refusing to evolve"? Exactly what do you mean by "evolve"? If you can't hear any difference between the stuff on "Torture" and say "Butchered At Birth", I'd suggest getting your ears syringed. If you mean they've never changed their basic genre of metal, well, we all know the flak that many bands have came in for, for doing just that. The truth is, no matter what a band does, a section of people will criticise them for it, this is simply unavoidable. You can't please everyone, and that's just the way it is.

Autopsy stayed true to their roots, and so have Cannibal Corpse, and some people have criticised them for that. But look at what happened to Morbid Angel when they "experimented" with their sound. That was hardly warmly accepted by the death metal faithful now, was it?

They may be irrelevant to you, but they certainly aren't to me, and many other death metal fans.

Oh, and Baz is absolutely spot on. I agree with his post completely.

Written by Angelic Storm on 02.04.2012 at 11:52

Written by Mattybu on 19.03.2012 at 04:43
Agreed, they have basically sealed their fate as irrelevant by refusing to evolve over the years also. Could have guessed almost every point in this review 100% before reading it.

"Refusing to evolve"? Exactly what do you mean by "evolve"? If you can't hear any difference between the stuff on "Torture" and say "Butchered At Birth", I'd suggest getting your ears syringed. If you mean they've never changed their basic genre of metal, well, we all know the flak that many bands have came in for, for doing just that. The truth is, no matter what a band does, a section of people will criticise them for it, this is simply unavoidable. You can't please everyone, and that's just the way it is.

Autopsy stayed true to their roots, and so have Cannibal Corpse, and some people have criticised them for that. But look at what happened to Morbid Angel when they "experimented" with their sound. That was hardly warmly accepted by the death metal faithful now, was it?

They may be irrelevant to you, but they certainly aren't to me, and many other death metal fans.

There's a difference between the music really evolving and the effects that a couple decades will have on it. The production on most death metal albums nowadays sounds different than it would have in the early/mid 90's. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of them, I just personally have no interest in them. But to say that they have really evolved or gone anywhere is questionable.

Good point on Morbid Angel too. I suppose that if you're going to make a change like that you have to know how to do it right first. I'd bet a lot of bands don't make changes simply because they either have cash flow or don't want to alienate their fan base.

Cannibal Corpse's next album should be called "Kill A Cop". Ah I miss Radikult jokes

Written by Mattybu on 02.04.2012 at 17:59
There's a difference between the music really evolving and the effects that a couple decades will have on it. The production on most death metal albums nowadays sounds different than it would have in the early/mid 90's. There's nothing wrong with being a fan of them, I just personally have no interest in them. But to say that they have really evolved or gone anywhere is questionable.

Good point on Morbid Angel too. I suppose that if you're going to make a change like that you have to know how to do it right first. I'd bet a lot of bands don't make changes simply because they either have cash flow or don't want to alienate their fan base.

Cannibal Corpse's next album should be called "Kill A Cop". Ah I miss Radikult jokes

Well, I would say that their music has actually evolved. The musicianship has certainly improved tenfold since their earlier days, which has manifested itself in some of the material being much more technical than on earlier albums. Some of their George Fisher-era songs certainly fit squarely into the technical death metal category, which certainly wasn't the case with any of their earlier output. There's also been a further emphasis on actual songcraft, creating more memorable, even catchy songs and riffs.

Whether you think they have evolved or not all comes down to what criteria you feel a band has to meet before you would say they have evolved. I would say they definitely have. Though if you personally believe a band actually has to change their fundamental style to evolve, then to those people, CC definitely haven't. And of course, there's nothing wrong with you having no personal interest in them.

You say a band has to "know how to do it right" if they are going to make a radical change to their sound. But I can't think of a single solitary band who has drastically altered their signature sound, and not came in for criticsm from certain quarters for doing it. If you start playing a different sub-genre of metal from the one you're most well known for, elements of your core fanbase will not react favourably to the change. So Morbid Angel are far from alone in that respect. I personally didn't like the experimentation on the new Morbid Angel album, but I also don't think they "sold out" either. Of course, I can't say that for sure, but I personally don't think more money/fame was the driving factor behind their experimentation.

Don't you mean Morbid Angel's new album should be called "Kill A Cop"? lol

Written by Angelic Storm on 02.04.2012 at 19:34


You say a band has to "know how to do it right" if they are going to make a radical change to their sound. But I can't think of a single solitary band who has drastically altered their signature sound, and not came in for criticsm from certain quarters for doing it. If you start playing a different sub-genre of metal from the one you're most well known for, elements of your core fanbase will not react favourably to the change. So Morbid Angel are far from alone in that respect. I personally didn't like the experimentation on the new Morbid Angel album, but I also don't think they "sold out" either. Of course, I can't say that for sure, but I personally don't think more money/fame was the driving factor behind their experimentation.

What I meant by that comment was if you're going to change, be good at what you're turning into. Let's take the classic Radikult for example. Maybe Morbid Angel would get some props if they could write a good industrial song, but that shit is terrible. Like embarrassingly bad. Even if there was someone out there thinking "man, I wish MA would do industrial stuff" they wouldn't be happy with Radikult. Well they shouldn't.

And I meant CC's next album should be called Kill A Cop, kinda like a shout-out to Morbid Angel lol. Or just re-release Kill and add "A Cop" to the end

Written by Cynic Metalhead on 14.03.2012 at 14:49

Written by PocketMetal on 14.03.2012 at 08:02

you got me there , I have never listened to this band since I read some of their old lyrics ... and I'm not going to .

I despise some of the Overkill's old lyrical stuff...that means I should hate Overkill? I suppose you can never judge any band from lyrical stuff and anybody thinks like that...person is an useless Moron.

+1

Written by PocketMetal on 14.03.2012 at 08:02

The moment I read " female operatic segments " I was like : what a brave woman =))
you got me there , I have never listened to this band since I read some of their old lyrics ... and I'm not going to .

and you judged the music by lyrics ?! lyrics are part of that music,as long as English is not your mother language, so you'd better listen to the music without reading the lyrics, lyrics are ornaments of music,you're not watching a film or reading a book which the most important part of them are words, the most important part of music is the music is being played by the musicians, I'm not trying to make you listening to Cannibal Corpse anyway.

Written by Guest on 30.04.2012 at 01:30

and you judged the music by lyrics ?! lyrics are part of that music,as long as English is not your mother language, so you'd better listen to the music without reading the lyrics, lyrics are ornaments of music,you're not watching a film or reading a book which the most important part of them are words, the most important part of music is the music is being played by the musicians, I'm not trying to make you listening to Cannibal Corpse anyway.

lyrics are a "part" of the music , and they better be good . it doesn't matter if English is not my mother language ... I can understand what I read . some bands like Tool would never be as great as they are if it wasn't for the amazing lyrics and concept . maybe lyrics are not important in death or black metal but they surely are in other genres . almost as important as the music itself .

If you don't want to listen to Cannibal Corpse because James Joyce didn't write their lyrics then so be it. Lyrics don't matter to me at all with these guys - I judge them based on what the music sounds like.

Could you imagine how limited I'd be if I refused to listen to bands/artists with childish lyrics?

@ Pocketmetal :What the heck ? are you really serious ? You are telling me a music band like Tool is great just because of their words in the music then the music itself!? so why did they bother to write music for such great words ? No boy! They wrote those great lyrics because they had that music on their mind before. I don't know really why some ppl listen to music and then just criticizing the words in the music that's really stupid. If you are really concerned with lyrics that much you'd better go for reading a poem book , cause what make those lyrics great in the music is the music have been written before,no the lyrics individually can't make the music great.I even don't know why I'm really trying to tell you this that's the music makes a band specific. What you say is like sayin the ketchup is much more delicious than the burger itself !!

What kinda lyrics you gonna fetch in Cannibal Corpse?

Gore, eviscerate, blatant ripped off abdomen, knife blurted cut intestines and what not and it's really funny people still gives a shit about "reading a lyrics like a pop fucked Popsicle fanboy". If you really dare to care about lyrical agenda listen to Rap/ Hip Hop , where you see an ample amount of atrocious "freestyle" "personal beefs(including bashing on their gf's or wives)" and many other kinda Rap attacks. that scene surely makes the whole scene pretty funny.

If you can decipher 10 words from TOTM without reading them I'll give you a five cent piece.

It most probably deserves about an 8/10, or perhaps 7.5/10.
Yes, it's a lot less mathematical than the previous 3 (Wretched to Evisceration). And honestly they don't really compensate that a whole lot, a catchier, better written simple back-to-basics could have been made. But Torture isn't bad, by any means either.

In quality, it's definitely a step down from the previous 2 which I consider as a Cannibal Corpse era (Kill, Evisceration, Torture).
The traditional simple, single-like Cannibal Corpse track here is complete shyt compared to the past few. "Scourge of Iron" is just a joke relatively to "Evisceration Plague" or "Death Walking Terror" or "Decency Defied".

The album lacks the depth of the past ones: each song is fine, with some cool musical themes, but no riff really stands out like the previous albums have produced.
A special mention to "Followed Home...Killed". That's an awesome CC song.