Zyk
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Maybe Anders should make a new band called "Old Katatonia" so he can play all the songs he wants live and make new stuff in that direction and both parties get to keep the name, but that's getting close to another Batushka situation, so...
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Thryce Retired Staff ElitePosts: 4435  |
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Written by Zyk on 19.03.2025 at 01:34
Maybe Anders should make a new band called "Old Katatonia"
Or Kata-two-nia.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6137  |
It's funny to read that some people seem to possess a sense of clairvoyance, but only reveal it after the fact.
I find it interesting that the guy seems to be implying that the band should dissolve, because he is not in it.
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Mark Ayoub
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Disappointed this has happened but not a shock. I suspected it was brewing for a few years. First, since City Burials, music and lyrics were all done by Jonas instead of the usual band effort, second their set-list on their 2024 Australian tour had only 6 songs pre-dating Dead End Kings. The biggest clue was that on said tour Anders was noticeably absent with no documented reason why.
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InnerSelf proofread free
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A decline of quality in the last 2 albums cannot be denied but to dismess everything post-2000 is some unbearable elitist shit. The Fall of Hearts as an example is an excellent album songwriting- and performance-wise, probably my favorite Katatoina album for the new era. Katatonia will probably keep moving in the direction that Jonas sees fit which means more of the same thing sadly, dunno if a guitarist can come and be allowed to bring new elements to the sound of the band.
Both statements read extremely resentful and a bit pity to me. I'm pretty sure thing ended bitterly between those 2.
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nephilim80
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Written by Daniell on 19.03.2025 at 09:02
It's funny to read that some people seem to possess a sense of clairvoyance, but only reveal it after the fact.
I find it interesting that the guy seems to be implying that the band should dissolve, because he is not in it.
I mean, he certainly is entitled to think that way because he's a founding member.
The two founding members think the band should go on different directions, maybe putting the band to rest would actually be reasonable. Jonas has Wisdom of Crowds and Anders has Diabolical Masquerade. That could be a good outcome. But Jonas wants to keep Katatonia going further into emo rock.
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nephilim80
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Written by InnerSelf on 19.03.2025 at 11:28
A decline of quality in the last 2 albums cannot be denied but to dismess everything post-2000 is some unbearable elitist shit. The Fall of Hearts as an example is an excellent album songwriting- and performance-wise, probably my favorite Katatoina album for the new era. Katatonia will probably keep moving in the direction that Jonas sees fit which means more of the same thing sadly, dunno if a guitarist can come and be allowed to bring new elements to the sound of the band.
Both statements read extremely resentful and a bit pity to me. I'm pretty sure thing ended bitterly between those 2.
The first statement is dry af. Really bad.
The second sounds a bit ressentful yes.
But i dont think he's dismissing stuff post 2000, he says he loves every album they've done. I kinda dislike radicalizing the argument between "jonas is more open minded" and "anders is an elitist".
I think its legitimate to ask for older stuff to have more visibility on their setlists and even making an album or two flirting with older stuff. He never said that he wants Jonas to growl again, but the sonority could go into that direction i guess. The last couple of albums are basically emo rock.
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InnerSelf proofread free
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Written by nephilim80 on 19.03.2025 at 23:52
Written by InnerSelf on 19.03.2025 at 11:28
A decline of quality in the last 2 albums cannot be denied but to dismess everything post-2000 is some unbearable elitist shit. The Fall of Hearts as an example is an excellent album songwriting- and performance-wise, probably my favorite Katatoina album for the new era. Katatonia will probably keep moving in the direction that Jonas sees fit which means more of the same thing sadly, dunno if a guitarist can come and be allowed to bring new elements to the sound of the band.
Both statements read extremely resentful and a bit pity to me. I'm pretty sure thing ended bitterly between those 2.
The first statement is dry af. Really bad.
The second sounds a bit ressentful yes.
But i dont think he's dismissing stuff post 2000, he says he loves every album they've done. I kinda dislike radicalizing the argument between "jonas is more open minded" and "anders is an elitist".
I think its legitimate to ask for older stuff to have more visibility on their setlists and even making an album or two flirting with older stuff. He never said that he wants Jonas to growl again, but the sonority could go into that direction i guess. The last couple of albums are basically emo rock.
I think you misunderstood my comment (or my phrasing was not good). I meant the people commenting on this post rather Jonas/Anders. I don’t presume to understand the dynamics of their relationship. Anders clearly stated that the disagreement is about their live performances and choice of songs. Jonas probably added salt to injury by growling on the Evergrey song.
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franksamuel0209
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People that decide to listen and not listen to music because “it’s not metal enough” is some insecure high school shit
Anything from discouraged ones onward is fantastic. The first two albums are not my cup of tea. Sue me.
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6137  |
Written by franksamuel0209 on 24.03.2025 at 21:11
People that decide to listen and not listen to music because “it’s not metal enough” is some insecure high school shit
Wise words have never been spoken.
Written by franksamuel0209 on 24.03.2025 at 21:11
Anything from discouraged ones onward is fantastic. The first two albums are not my cup of tea. Sue me.
I think Discouraged Ones is very weak, just like the debut, while Brave Murder Day is only marginally less crappy. Tonight's Decision is sort of ok. The good Katatonia starts with Last Fair Deal.
Now accepting subpoenas.
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franksamuel0209
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Written by franksamuel0209 on 24.03.2025 at 21:11
Anything from discouraged ones onward is fantastic. The first two albums are not my cup of tea. Sue me.
I think Discouraged Ones is very weak, just like the debut, while Brave Murder Day is only marginally less crappy. Tonight's Decision is sort of ok. The good Katatonia starts with Last Fair Deal.
Now accepting subpoenas.
Definitely agree on being very weak compared to its successors. Last Fair Deal is in my Top 10 all time albums. It’s a beautiful crescendo of music
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CobiWan1993 Secundum Filium
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It's sad to see him go but I wish him all the best, it was a pleasure to have met them while they were on tour for Dead End Kings!
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Alex87
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Sad Anders is gone. Their mid era was the best, his guitar playing is very inspiring
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