Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
22.09.2011 - 09:41Rating: 5
Ah, ok I see your point now.
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22.09.2011 - 09:43Rating: 5
Written by jhook on 22.09.2011 at 05:20
I get that some people were disappointed by this but this is just ridiculously low. A lot of people didnt like this as much as i did which is fine but the truth is that its mediocre at worst.
Exactly. 5.8 means less than "good", which in turn means "mediocre". Unless you think that "mediocre" implies "good"?
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malaikat
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22.09.2011 - 11:01Rating: 6
I dunno, I found this album enjoyable. I never really liked DT, although I listened to almost all of their albums, and this one seems more or less the same as others - enjoyable listen for a few spins, some standard, yet uninspired technical prowess, and that's it.
And I really think that 5.8 is a decent rating. Although a pleasant album, there isn't a single section, note or a song that stands out. With all due respect towards the band members, being a good player doesn't neccesarily mean you're a good songwriter.
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22.09.2011 - 11:43Rating: 7
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To me, as a non-DT fan nor a constant listener, the album was enjoyable for once. I can't blame the drummer for what he does, the problem lies within the songwriting actually. A few songs are good, but as it was said before there are no real highlights. The only song that caught me is "On The Back Of Angels", probably because it reminds me of some classic DT songs (Pull Me Under, Take The Time).
Anyway, I think of rating it between 6 and 7.
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Mikyz
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It's a good review, DT's glory days are long past, this album only serves to showcase their individual talent, it's not as good as it is attractive.
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Nicko's Nose
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22.09.2011 - 12:14Rating: 9
Never come back Mike, please.
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silenius
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They just took a slab of freshly made extrement and slabbed it on a record, buuuuuu!
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22.09.2011 - 12:27Rating: 6
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Written by wrathchild on 22.09.2011 at 09:20
Written by Daniell on 21.09.2011 at 23:57
Written by wrathchild on 21.09.2011 at 23:55
Where the review is flawed is in the last sentence: it's not up to Portnoy at all...
They seem to have lost it on the first album without him. I do see a connection...
What I mean is that Portnoy clearly longs to rejoin DT, but the others won't accept him.
Well he can long as hard as he wants but he's not coming back. Mangini fuckin' quit his job to join DT - teaching on that same university they dropped out of years ago. He's the only dude in this whole shabang that's earning my respect instead of losing it. Go MM!
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Twisted Zoul
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It's so true...It stinx like poop, Mike Portnoy's role in DT is Sooooo clearly defined when he is NOT there, i think Mike Mangini is a kick-ass drummer, but you dont hear that on the album, normally when drummers do "to much over the top caotic drumming" like Portnoy did in DT i say OK easy now smart-ass but, in DT this is a must every bar must have at least 16 hits...ha ha....THAT's missing.
DT is not DT without MP, they should have let him back in.
Let's see what mike gets up to, dont like what he's doing with the Symphony X singer !...Hopefully he'll get the project going with Steve Wilson and Michael Åkerfeldt they spoke about some years ago.
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Raziel X
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This review sounds almost like a review of hardcore tarja fan of new NW album ![](/images/smilies/cheesy.gif) ... just like that this guy is bashing an album when mike is not on it, lol... while there cant be full objectivity in a review, agreed, a review too one-sided is not a good one
this sounds more like a spit of a guy frustrated that he didnt get exactly what he wanted... which doesnt mean the album is bad... if you ask me i like their modern stuff, and im not a DT fanboy... you may as well call Tolkien boring, and that will say it all LOL
but whatever, I dont mind other opinions as long as they are stated in a civilized manner... no wonder that some ppl cant take metal reviews seriously, when the bad reviews are peeping with words like turd and other niceties
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
22.09.2011 - 13:30Rating: 5
There were 3 fucks in the early draft of this review. I can only imagine the feedback if they appeared in the final version
Some people should seriously remove sticks from their arses...
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andreosokin SOUNDERY
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22.09.2011 - 13:52Rating: 9
Hey Daniel, I haven't bought the new album yet, but the review is awesome and hilarious ![](/images/smilies/smiley.gif) Not sure I would put such a low rating to it, but we'll see after my first 3-4 listenings
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jmz
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22.09.2011 - 14:00Rating: 8
It's not that bad.
yea i know the drum part is not very good but suppose most of it came from JP's programming and the sound mixing is way below impressive. though they have an album that meets their standard and i think it's not a bad one to have in your collection as a fan. Unless you are so obsessed with MP's leaving
but you know what, just get on with it!
DT rating is never high here anyway, sounds like you guys really hate the >6 minutes songs
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malaikat
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22.09.2011 - 14:29Rating: 6
Written by jmz on 22.09.2011 at 14:00
DT rating is never high here anyway, sounds like you guys really hate the >6 minutes songs
I always thought MetalStorm was the most prog/experimental/avantguarde oriented metal-dedicated site out there. I myself found a shitload of awesome prog bands just by reading random reviews by staff members and guest reviewers. Besides, how can you say that DT is never rated high, with "Metropolis" holding rating 9, "Images and Words" 9.1, and "Awake" 8.7? If the album is good, it's rated good. You can't just give all DT albums a 10 just because those guys studied at Berklee.
And, frankly, most of DT fans are in fact people who care only for "teh mad skillz" of band members, not so much for the actual songs and such. And the songs on this album are boring, despite their musicianship.
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...And I thought the comments on Trivium's In Waves were bad.
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Panterica
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Break All Illusions is a great song and it deserves to be in a better album cause I'm sure as hell not gonna buy this one. What a shame though... Oh well, at least I got Opeth's new album...
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22.09.2011 - 15:23Rating: 4
Written by Daniell on 21.09.2011 at 23:19
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Explain how it is biased? Because it goes against your opinion?
Of course it's biased, duh. I mean, you wrote about YOUR opinion on the album, ffs.
Oh, wait, reviews are actually supposed to be a well-explained opinion. Never mind. Butthurt fans, continue whining.
I only have a tiny problem with the review myself. It seems that the tone of the review is much harsher than the rating itself... 5.8 implies almost average, but you pretty much nuked it, which I fully agree with. Boring beyond belief. This is exactly what happens when prog bands forget they're supposed to be making music, not recording the exercise of their "mad skillz".
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
22.09.2011 - 15:28Rating: 5
Written by Slayer666 on 22.09.2011 at 15:23
Written by Daniell on 21.09.2011 at 23:19
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Explain how it is biased? Because it goes against your opinion?
Of course it's biased, duh. I mean, you wrote about YOUR opinion on the album, ffs.
Oh, wait, reviews are actually supposed to be a well-explained opinion. Never mind. Butthurt fans, continue whining.
I only have a tiny problem with the review myself. It seems that the tone of the review is much harsher than the rating itself... 5.8 implies almost average, but you pretty much nuked it, which I fully agree with. Boring beyond belief. This is exactly what happens when prog bands forget they're supposed to be making music, not recording the exercise of their "mad skillz".
I suppose my rating was upped a bit due to flawless musicianship and good production that this album undoubtedly has. If I were to assess only song quality, it'd have to be a 4.8
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jhook
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22.09.2011 - 15:34Rating: 9
Written by Daniell on 22.09.2011 at 09:43
Written by jhook on 22.09.2011 at 05:20
I get that some people were disappointed by this but this is just ridiculously low. A lot of people didnt like this as much as i did which is fine but the truth is that its mediocre at worst.
Exactly. 5.8 means less than "good", which in turn means "mediocre". Unless you think that "mediocre" implies "good"?
in relation to most most metal storm reviews 5.8 reviews only get put on terrible albums, also you said in the review that the album sucked
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sonykov
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22.09.2011 - 15:37Rating: 10
Written by Darth Mitchell on 22.09.2011 at 00:58
I like the album. Maybe I'm the only one? ![](/images/smilies/lol.gif)
you are not the only one, i like the album very much, and i totally disagree with people who said that this album is a mess up all because of portnoy's departure, i love portnoy, but i also love mangini, and this guy is too much of a drummer, he is a beast, listen to the chorus of "Lost not Forgotten", he plays it with 3 different styles, i am not saying that portnoy can't do such a thing, but mangini some how has a techniques that portnoy lakes, however, petrucci himself said in audition that " he -mangini- can do with one limp that others do with two", and could someone tell how often do you find in DT previous albums that much of dynamics in double bass drums playing, so lets not rely any messes or lakes in this album on portnoy's departure, and please keep in mind that he was the one who chosen to leave, maybe i agree with the review in the points considering rudess.
and finally IMO Mangini is a more technical and generally better drummer than Portnoy.
i gave the album 10 (mainly on that performance)
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Prometheus
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22.09.2011 - 15:46Rating: 9
But go and get a life!!!! this album is simply perfect as the others dream theater albums i dunno who is best but this is perfect.
you gave it a 5.8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on!!!! if it disappoints me i would give it 7.0 but not 5.8.
and the review its fake and crappy at the same time
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22.09.2011 - 15:47Rating: 10
Written by Daniell on 21.09.2011 at 23:19
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Explain how it is biased? Because it goes against your opinion?
sorry but it is biased to Portnoy, it is so obvious
"come back portnoy" LOL
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sonykov
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22.09.2011 - 15:52Rating: 10
Written by Risto on 22.09.2011 at 02:01
Compared to other large music community sites I regularly visit, this one rates ADTOE lowest in relation to the rest of their catalogue, be it the staff or regular users. And that is by far. Metal Storm's opinion about this album now officially sucks ![](/images/smilies/cheesy.gif)
Not I only disagree with the review, but I also think radio exposure is a turd of an argument when it comes to Dream Theater in general. They've done cheese before without people getting overly annoyed.
Oh, and stop lying to people.
totally agree with you
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Daniell _爱情_ ElitePosts: 6124 ![](/images/avatars/1/1443) |
22.09.2011 - 15:56Rating: 5
Written by Prometheus on 22.09.2011 at 15:46
But go and get a life!!!! this album is simply perfect as the others dream theater albums i dunno who is best but this is perfect.
you gave it a 5.8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on!!!! if it disappoints me i would give it 7.0 but not 5.8.
and the review its fake and crappy at the same time
Valium, cupcake, valium. Before you explode.
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Prometheus
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22.09.2011 - 16:05Rating: 9
Written by Daniell on 22.09.2011 at 15:56
Written by Prometheus on 22.09.2011 at 15:46
But go and get a life!!!! this album is simply perfect as the others dream theater albums i dunno who is best but this is perfect.
you gave it a 5.8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on!!!! if it disappoints me i would give it 7.0 but not 5.8.
and the review its fake and crappy at the same time
Valium, cupcake, valium. Before you explode.
hahahah!!!! lol funny
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Reading trough the comments gives the album title a new meaning
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Written by Prometheus on 22.09.2011 at 15:46
But go and get a life!!!! this album is simply perfect as the others dream theater albums i dunno who is best but this is perfect.
you gave it a 5.8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!! come on!!!! if it disappoints me i would give it 7.0 but not 5.8.
and the review its fake and crappy at the same time
7 means good; disappointing means average/mediocre, adjectives that this umpteenth piece of plastic deserves, in my opinion.
Quote: The rest of the songs are a gray mass containing craploads of forced, uninspired instrumental wankery, multiple showoff passages, incredibly drawn out fragments, boring singing and flat, lifeless choruses.
Yeah, pretty much like anything they did over the last fifteen years. Masturbation prevails.
Good review, however.
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jmz
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22.09.2011 - 16:59Rating: 8
Written by malaikat on 22.09.2011 at 14:29
Written by jmz on 22.09.2011 at 14:00
DT rating is never high here anyway, sounds like you guys really hate the >6 minutes songs
I always thought MetalStorm was the most prog/experimental/avantguarde oriented metal-dedicated site out there. I myself found a shitload of awesome prog bands just by reading random reviews by staff members and guest reviewers. Besides, how can you say that DT is never rated high, with "Metropolis" holding rating 9, "Images and Words" 9.1, and "Awake" 8.7? If the album is good, it's rated good. You can't just give all DT albums a 10 just because those guys studied at Berklee.
And, frankly, most of DT fans are in fact people who care only for "teh mad skillz" of band members, not so much for the actual songs and such. And the songs on this album are boring, despite their musicianship.
alright mate.
i'm not claiming the new album is up there with those top ones, and it doesn't have anything to do with Berklee or their musicianship that i don't agree with the rating. well, probably it's just the end of the article that made me sick.
so, just my personal idea this is worth more than 5.8
not trying to change anyone's mind here but just share an idea if there's someone wanting to give it a try.
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bodomroy
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22.09.2011 - 17:52Rating: 7
A review can´t be objective but points yes, it´s maths. 9+5+6+8 = 28 / 4 = 7. Reviewer hates jordan's keyboards and its presence, so i think performance and production can´t score 9 and 8. Doesn´t like singing too and it seems that only one guitar solo its well built so the review doesn´t follow the logic of the points.
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Didn't like this one either... I was kind of confused by the praise being heaped on elsewhere. Not saying I don't see what people could like about it, it's just, something is missing. Very unfulfilling after several listens, a few moments here and there. I love JR's keyboard work however salient it may be...
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