I take it that by "beauty and the beast" you mean a rough male voice and a clean female voice, right?

Written by ?apleee on 12.03.2013 at 23:47

I take it that by "beauty and the beast" you mean a rough male voice and a clean female voice, right?

You are 100% correct. I think I should add that to the discription to avoid confusion, haha.

Cool idea for a list, I know I've "surfed" this topic before and not had much luck. Darzamat's album "Solfernus' Path" has some cool Beauty/Beast vocal combinations, as well as some really good music. Might fit your list, but it's one of those releases that encompasses many genres, goth, black, heavy and doom.

Widow's Weeds... does that album kill or what?
Nice list. I think I'll revisit my gothic past again and pick up some unknown ones along the way.

Interesting list, Draven's suggestion of Darzamat is a good one and also check out the band Via Mistica. They are very influenced by the early doom era of Theatre of Tragedy.
Leaves' Eyes is also one for the list, although not completely gothic, they work. Check their debut 'Lovelorn' too.

Written by Draven Edge on 13.03.2013 at 02:09

Cool idea for a list, I know I've "surfed" this topic before and not had much luck. Darzamat's album "Solfernus' Path" has some cool Beauty/Beast vocal combinations, as well as some really good music. Might fit your list, but it's one of those releases that encompasses many genres, goth, black, heavy and doom.

Thanks (for the +1)! I just listened to the album and while I liked it, I'm not sure whether it's the right album for this list. Funny MS has labeled them as "gothic metal", while it's definitely not gothic metal. It just has gothic influences if you ask me. I'll re-listen to it tomorrow and then decide if I add it or not.

Written by [user id=109200] on 13.03.2013 at 10:48

Widow's Weeds... does that album kill or what?
Nice list. I think I'll revisit my gothic past again and pick up some unknown ones along the way.

Yeah, I just had to put Widows Weeds at #1, since it's probably the best damn album in this genre that I've heard (and it was one of the first albums too, as I bought it about 8 years ago or so). Lake of Sorrow blew me away just months back and is so amazing it's at #2 right now.

Anyway, thanks for the +1. Be sure to come back and give me suggestions, as the list doesn't feel complete right now.

Written by CyberSymphony on 13.03.2013 at 16:00

Interesting list, Draven's suggestion of Darzamat is a good one and also check out the band Via Mistica. They are very influenced by the early doom era of Theatre of Tragedy.
Leaves' Eyes is also one for the list, although not completely gothic, they work. Check their debut 'Lovelorn' too.

Thank you too.

As I said, I'm not sure if Darzamat's album fits this list. I'll check out your suggestions and come back if you have more worthy candidates!

Beauty and a beast you say?with angelic women and screams you say?gothic atmosphere you say ? well that sounds like some kick ass dungeon S&M porno tittle
nice list man btw...

Written by ANGEL REAPER on 13.03.2013 at 23:39

Beauty and a beast you say?with angelic women and screams you say?gothic atmosphere you say ? well that sounds like some kick ass dungeon S&M porno tittle
nice list man btw...

Haha, thanks. Doesn't sounds half-bad now, does it? If you have any suggestions to improve the list, let me know.

Check out "In Memory Of..." by the band "To Cast A Shadow" . Also I don't know if Lacrimosa counts but listen to their high-rated albums anyway .

Written by PocketMetal on 13.03.2013 at 23:45

Check out "In Memory Of..." by the band "To Cast A Shadow" . Also I don't know if Lacrimosa counts but listen to their high-rated albums anyway .

I'll check it out. Never heard anything by Lacrimosa, but I do know they made a shitload of albums. I'll listen to their high-rated albums then.

"Beauty and the beast"-style of gothic metal was actually what got me into metal in the first place and it is still one of my favorite subgenres.

Here are some suggestions of bands and their best album in my opinion which are not on your list:

Trail of Tears - A New Dimension of Might
Lycanthia - Oligarchy
Evig Natt - I Am Silence
Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse
Mandrake - Innocence Weakness
Galadriel - The Mirror of Ages
Myriads - In Spheres Without Time (not featured of Metal Storm but still a great band)

Where was Penumbra all my life ? Why the metal world is so fucking upside down ... this band kills .

Written by PocketMetal on 14.03.2013 at 00:04

Where was Penumbra all my life ? Why the metal world is so fucking upside down ... this band kills .

yeah they're one of rare good bands in this genre

Nice list.
how about Somber Dance by Estatic Fear

Have you tried Requiem-Fortissimo by Virgin Black or Enter by Within Temptation?

Penumbra is great people! And wow, this list reminds me so much of the time where I discovered gothic metal and listened to all of this

To me Theatre Of Tragedy's second album owns everything. But that's just me.

Also, since we are just talking about that particular style of vocals and not exclusively of gothic metal, maybe Unholy - Gracefallen could work here? I dunno...

Written by Draugen on 14.03.2013 at 00:02

"Beauty and the beast"-style of gothic metal was actually what got me into metal in the first place and it is still one of my favorite subgenres.

Here are some suggestions of bands and their best album in my opinion which are not on your list:

Trail of Tears - A New Dimension of Might
Lycanthia - Oligarchy
Evig Natt - I Am Silence
Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse
Mandrake - Innocence Weakness
Galadriel - The Mirror of Ages
Myriads - In Spheres Without Time (not featured of Metal Storm but still a great band)

Opeth is what got me into metal if I remember correctly, but not long after Opeth I discovered Tristania. Anyway, I've heard of a few of those, but haven't listened to any of them! Since there are a lot of suggestions all of a sudden I'll take the time to listen to them and then I might add them.

Written by PocketMetal on 14.03.2013 at 00:04

Where was Penumbra all my life ? Why the metal world is so fucking upside down ... this band kills .

I also discovered them recently and I agree they do sound great. I'll listen to their other albums too and they might get added as well.

Written by [user id=130727] on 14.03.2013 at 01:47

yeah they're one of rare good bands in this genre

Haha, I knew beforehand you wouldn't like this list.

Written by PrinceOfDarkness on 14.03.2013 at 02:58

Nice list.
how about Somber Dance by Estatic Fear

Thanks! Only listened to their debut, but not their second album. I'll check it out.

Written by M C Vice on 14.03.2013 at 10:12

Have you tried Requiem-Fortissimo by Virgin Black or Enter by Within Temptation?

I only heard Virgin Black's debut, but keep in mind I only add "beauty and the beast" albums, since that's what this list is all about. As far as I know Within Temptation never was "beauty and the beast" metal (as there are no male vocals).

Written by BloodTears on 14.03.2013 at 11:35

Penumbra is great people! And wow, this list reminds me so much of the time where I discovered gothic metal and listened to all of this

Hehe, any suggestions to improve it then, or did all the previous comments cover that?

Written by X-Ray Rod on 14.03.2013 at 12:07

To me Theatre Of Tragedy's second album owns everything. But that's just me.

Also, since we are just talking about that particular style of vocals and not exclusively of gothic metal, maybe Unholy - Gracefallen could work here? I dunno...

I must admit I still haven't listened to "Velvet Darkness" enough to form a final decision, as I have still yet to buy it (which I'm going to do this month )... so that being said, it could be ranked higher than it is now. Also, keep in mind pretty much every album is 9/10 or 10/10 material for me, except for the last few albums. Adding ratings could be a good idea, but then again, I did that with my other list too and I just couldn't keep up since I need to hear every album at least 3-5 times before rating it. And you're right, it's not exclusively gothic metal, but these kind of vocals are found most of the time in (symphonic) gothic metal. I didn't know Unholy had female vocals until now, so I'll be sure to check them out.

I decided to change the list a bit by NOT ranking them anymore. It's just too hard to me to decide how they should be ranked, while it's easier for me to rate them, hence why I just added ratings. That way, you can get a good idea of how great the albums are on this list, although it's just my opinion. Few albums really deserve a 10, so those are pretty rare. I'll add the best songs per album soon, when I have the time to do so.

Oh, and I added Darzamat's album... although it's not typically this genre, it does still qualify for this list I think.

Written by Erik M. on 14.03.2013 at 22:05

Written by M C Vice on 14.03.2013 at 10:12

Have you tried Requiem-Fortissimo by Virgin Black or Enter by Within Temptation?

I only heard Virgin Black's debut, but keep in mind I only add "beauty and the beast" albums, since that's what this list is all about. As far as I know Within Temptation never was "beauty and the beast" metal (as there are no male vocals).

Both albums are male growled/female sang vocals (about 50/50 and 40/60 split respectivly). Virgin Black used a soprano on their Requiem albums to share the vocals, and London dropped his singing voice completly on Fortissimo in favor of a deep growl.
Westerholt did about 40% of the vocals on Within Temptation's first album (Enter), all growled. They dropped this formula on all subsequent releases (save a bonus track on Silent Force).
None of the other works of these bands qualify, though.

Yeah my first thought when reading the thread title was "Velvet Darkness They Fear". I'll never forget that album

Haven't listened to this genre in ages though, cheers

You need the first two albums from Orphanage on there. Without them there wouldn't be After Forever and Epica and Within Temptation's debut
But like MC Vice said Enter by WT does have harsh vocals on it, courtesy of Robert Westerholt (not to be mistaken with Martij Westerholt )

Seeing that some of those bands in your list don't have anything to do with gothic metal musically I would also suggest The Gathering - Always.

Written by Erik M. on 14.03.2013 at 22:05
I didn't know Unholy had female vocals until now, so I'll be sure to check them out.

If memory serves me right, they started with the third album but it doesn't have that much tbh, just a few passages but with their fourth (and last) album the female vocals are very dominant.

Fantastic albums (and band).

First of all, since this list is somehow really popular (a lot of views, not thumbs up ) I started listening like a madman to a lot of the suggested albums and added 10 new ones (weirdly enough, I honestly liked every single album I checked out), thus improving the list greatly! However, keep in mind I'll add the ratings once I heard every album enough (3 times usually, so it could take some time)... and I do not rate albums carelessly!

Written by CyberSymphony on 13.03.2013 at 16:00

Interesting list, Draven's suggestion of Darzamat is a good one and also check out the band Via Mistica. They are very influenced by the early doom era of Theatre of Tragedy.
Leaves' Eyes is also one for the list, although not completely gothic, they work. Check their debut 'Lovelorn' too.

Couldn't find Via Mistica, but I did add Leaves' Eyes' debut! Definitely liked the sound of that one.

Written by PocketMetal on 13.03.2013 at 23:45

Check out "In Memory Of..." by the band "To Cast A Shadow" . Also I don't know if Lacrimosa counts but listen to their high-rated albums anyway .

Added the debut of To Cast A Shadow, that's some good stuff indeed! I listened a bit to Stille by Lacrimosa, but (correct me if I'm wrong) there aren't harsh vocals to be found, thus they don't qualify... do they have an album with grunts?

Written by Draugen on 14.03.2013 at 00:02

"Beauty and the beast"-style of gothic metal was actually what got me into metal in the first place and it is still one of my favorite subgenres.

Here are some suggestions of bands and their best album in my opinion which are not on your list:

Trail of Tears - A New Dimension of Might
Lycanthia - Oligarchy
Evig Natt - I Am Silence
Autumn - When Lust Evokes the Curse
Mandrake - Innocence Weakness
Galadriel - The Mirror of Ages
Myriads - In Spheres Without Time (not featured of Metal Storm but still a great band)

I added a few of those (all sounded very good to me), but I had trouble finding the ones I didn't add. I just keep looking for them, hehe.

Written by PrinceOfDarkness on 14.03.2013 at 02:58

Nice list.
how about Somber Dance by Estatic Fear

Added, was a really great first impression, so I'm confident it's right for this list.

Written by M C Vice on 15.03.2013 at 10:39

Both albums are male growled/female sang vocals (about 50/50 and 40/60 split respectivly). Virgin Black used a soprano on their Requiem albums to share the vocals, and London dropped his singing voice completly on Fortissimo in favor of a deep growl.
Westerholt did about 40% of the vocals on Within Temptation's first album (Enter), all growled. They dropped this formula on all subsequent releases (save a bonus track on Silent Force).
None of the other works of these bands qualify, though.

Thanks for the info. Added both albums! I especially liked Enter a lot, can't believe it's really Within Temptation I'm listening to (their other albums are very different, although I haven't heard all of them).

Written by fanapathy on 15.03.2013 at 15:32

Yeah my first thought when reading the thread title was "Velvet Darkness They Fear". I'll never forget that album

Haven't listened to this genre in ages though, cheers

That album certainly is amazing. At this very moment, my absolute favourite album on this list is Lake Of Sorrow by The Sins Of Thy Beloved, a true masterpiece. So listen to that if you want to listen to this genre again.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.03.2013 at 15:50

You need the first two albums from Orphanage on there. Without them there wouldn't be After Forever and Epica and Within Temptation's debut
But like MC Vice said Enter by WT does have harsh vocals on it, courtesy of Robert Westerholt (not to be mistaken with Martij Westerholt )

Like a lot of other suggestions I couldn't find full albums of Orphanage! Any ideas where to listen to it?

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 15.03.2013 at 16:03

Seeing that some of those bands in your list don't have anything to do with gothic metal musically I would also suggest The Gathering - Always.

...But I added that album. Totally different from Mandylion and Nighttime Birds, but not in a bad way since it sounds great to me.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 15.03.2013 at 16:15

If memory serves me right, they started with the third album but it doesn't have that much tbh, just a few passages but with their fourth (and last) album the female vocals are very dominant.

Fantastic albums (and band).

Really liked their style, so I went ahead and added them too. The list was too damn short, so I took care of that now.

Off their 2nd album 'Fallen Angels', check out their other albums too. They are perfect for this list.

Written by PrinceOfDarkness on 14.03.2013 at 02:58

Nice list.
how about Somber Dance by Estatic Fear

Holy f*cking shit man... I gotta give it to you, while this album isn't typically "beauty and the beast", it's pretty much the only suggestion I added that totally blew me away. This could be a potential masterpiece for me I think.

Great list, I see we have a similar taste
I also have a suggestion, Diabulus In Musica - The Wanderer. It's not strictly Gothic Metal, more like Symphonic, but the dual vocals are there. Very similar to Epica.

Written by CyberSymphony on 16.03.2013 at 18:00



Off their 2nd album 'Fallen Angels', check out their other albums too. They are perfect for this list.

I'll try to find their albums. You're right by the way, I listened to the song and this indeed needs to be on this list, pretty good stuff. I hate having trouble finding music. Why isn't this on Youtube (and then I'm talking about full albums, not seperate songs).

Written by [user id=36134] on 18.03.2013 at 11:32

Great list, I see we have a similar taste
I also have a suggestion, Diabulus In Musica - The Wanderer. It's not strictly Gothic Metal, more like Symphonic, but the dual vocals are there. Very similar to Epica.

Thanks!

I'm going to listen to it soon and if I like it enough I'll add it to the list.

Are there any bands that use a reverse of the beauty and beast vocals? Harsh female and clean male, I mean. Gossow/Kiske for example.