Love how Priest is above Maiden, as they ought to be

This is a great list, obviously there are/were many other really influential bands out there but these are probably the essentials.

Written by Valentin B on 23.07.2012 at 17:53

Love how Priest is above Maiden, as they ought to be

This is a great list, obviously there are/were many other really influential bands out there but these are probably the essentials.

I have never been a fan of Priest, and Maiden is my favourite band all categories, but I can't deny that Priest is the most influential of those two.

I'd give Godflesh credit for industrial metal over Ministry, but otherwise, solid list.

Written by Apatheria on 25.07.2012 at 12:52

I'd give Godflesh credit for industrial metal over Ministry, but otherwise, solid list.

I haven't heard any of Godflesh's music nor any of Ministry's 80's albums (I will check them out), so I couldn't say who was the first to play industrial metal. Godflesh released their first ep in 1988 and their first full-length in 1989. Were they industrial metal from the beginning? Ministry released "The Land of Rape and Honey" in 1988 and "The Mind Is a Terrible Thing to Taste" in 1989. I know there are some discussions about when they really became a metal band, but yet I can't have any opinion. Godflesh isn't as famous as Ministry, but that doesn't mean they couldn't be as important as Ministry. Do you think they deserve to be on the list instead of Ministry? Since they started to play industrial metal almost at the same time, perhaps they evolved independent of each other from common influences? I know there were other bands like Killing Joke who wasn't metal but had a major influence on the genre, so perhaps none of them have been influential enough on their own to reach top 20? I also have no idea what bands like Nine Inch Nails mentions as main influence, nor who has been most influential for later industrial metal bands.

By the way, thanks for sharing your point of view!

I have now checked out 80's Godflesh and 80's Ministry and read more about Godflesh, and now I understand that they have had been more influential than Ministry for industrial metal, and I also now see where the post metal genre comes from, so I replaced Ministry with Godflesh on my list. I also found Godflesh's music much more amusing than Ministry's (especially than their 80's records). Godflesh didn't sounded as commercial and poppy as Ministry, although I don't understand why they sometimes are labelled as grindcore.

I have now expanded the list to a top 25 to make room for some more bands I thought deserved to be on the list.

I have now expanded my list to a top 40.

This expansion was the toughest so far. Of course it is always difficult to compare bands in different genres, but this time I found it more difficult than before to compare the influences within genres, especially with the traditional doom metal bands. How to compare the influence of Pentagram, Trouble and Saint Vitus?

Pentagram was the first band and recorded demos in the 70's, although they didn't record any album until 1985. I'm not sure how much the 80's doom bands were influenced by them, or directly by Black Sabbath, but I guess they at least were familiar with them. I know Lee Dorrian (Cathedral) have mentioned Trouble as his favourite band and if I'm not wrong also Candlemass has mentioned Trouble as an influence, but I'm not sure how much they were influenced by Saint Vitus or Pentagram. Saint Vitus had a punkier sound and had probably an influence on the developement of sludge metal. When it comes to death doom I know My Dying Bride mentions Candlemass, along with Celtic Frost and Bathory, as there main influences. I haven't heard what other death doom bands like Paradise Lost and Anathema have mentioned as their doom influences.

I placed Candlemass some positions over the other three, despite the fact that the other were earlier, because I suppose they have been more influential for the 90's and 00's doom scene. I have heard far more bands sounding like Candlemass than like the other three, and I'm not sure how much influence Trouble, Saint Vitus and Pentagram have had on modern doom metal, except for some retro-doom bands like Witchcraft, Reverend Bizarre and Gates of Slumber.

I know there is Witchfinder General too, but I'm not sure how much influence they have had.

I guess if I'm wrong about something, or there is something more to add, there is at least one 40+ doom expert who will correct me.

Finally I will also say that the only of the main genres I have excluded on the list so far is folk metal. That is not my genre, and I don't know if there is any singular band who deserves to be in the list. I know that Skyclad is considered to be the first folk metal band, but I have no idea of how much later folk metal bands were influenced directly from them, or developed sound independently of them, since there are so many different forms of folk music to take influences from, and it also took so many years from Skyclad until the genre became big.

I have now expanded the list to a top 60. If you think some influential band still is missing, just write a comment.

No Napalm Death? they are more influential to Grindcore then Carcass are.

The following I find puzzling

Quote:

"Theatre Of Tragedy
Created the beauty and the beast sound."

I don't know who started that beauty and beast sound but by the time Thetre Of Tragedy started The Gathering already had released two demo's and two full length studio albums which featured beauty and beast vocals

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2012 at 12:55
I don't know who started that beauty and beast sound but by the time Thetre Of Tragedy started The Gathering already had released two demo's and two full length studio albums which featured beauty and beast vocals

Also Paradise Lost featured some female vocals on Gothic by 1992... I still would say ToT are pretty influential in the gothic metal area... just not because of what has been written here.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.08.2012 at 14:32

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2012 at 12:55
I don't know who started that beauty and beast sound but by the time Thetre Of Tragedy started The Gathering already had released two demo's and two full length studio albums which featured beauty and beast vocals

Also Paradise Lost featured some female vocals on Gothic by 1992... I still would say ToT are pretty influential in the gothic metal area... just not because of what has been written here.

Although Gothic featured some female vocals I wouldn't call the use of it there beauty and beast style because there really is no interaction between Nick's grunts the female vocals unlike what The Gathering did en ToT as well.

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.08.2012 at 14:32

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2012 at 12:55
I don't know who started that beauty and beast sound but by the time Thetre Of Tragedy started The Gathering already had released two demo's and two full length studio albums which featured beauty and beast vocals

Also Paradise Lost featured some female vocals on Gothic by 1992... I still would say ToT are pretty influential in the gothic metal area... just not because of what has been written here.

1992? / Gothic is from March 1991

I am not sure if The Gathering's second demo had already been released at the time, but their first demo was already a year old. And at that time of their first demo The Gathering had already played with Paradise Lost in The Netherlands. So it wouldn't surprise me that GOOD old The Gathering influenced Paradise Lost into using female vocals for the Gothic album.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2012 at 14:43
1992? / Gothic is from March 1991

Argh, I read the years wrong when I went back to check in their profile.

Huh, I had no idea Possessed were the first to use growls. The more you know....

Written by @gent_-_orange on 21.08.2012 at 01:47

No Napalm Death? they are more influential to Grindcore then Carcass are.

I definitely agree that Napalm Death has been more influential to grindcore than Carcass, but I think of early Napalm Death more like a grindcore punk band than a grindcore metal band, and I wouldn't say their later death metal albums have been that influential, why I excluded them. Carcass was more death metal, and especially with "Heartwork" they also influenced melodic death metal.

Perhaps early Napalm Death deserves to be accepted as metal, and therefore also included in the list. It was a while ago I listened to them so I actually don't remember exactly how metallic they were, but I have heard them talking more of hardcore influences than metal influences. I'm not personally a fan of the whole grindcore genre. The only band I really enjoy in it is Terrorizer.

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2012 at 14:43

Written by X-Ray Rod on 21.08.2012 at 14:32

Written by Marcel Hubregtse on 21.08.2012 at 12:55
I don't know who started that beauty and beast sound but by the time Thetre Of Tragedy started The Gathering already had released two demo's and two full length studio albums which featured beauty and beast vocals

Also Paradise Lost featured some female vocals on Gothic by 1992... I still would say ToT are pretty influential in the gothic metal area... just not because of what has been written here.

1992? / Gothic is from March 1991

I am not sure if The Gathering's second demo had already been released at the time, but their first demo was already a year old. And at that time of their first demo The Gathering had already played with Paradise Lost in The Netherlands. So it wouldn't surprise me that GOOD old The Gathering influenced Paradise Lost into using female vocals for the Gothic album.

Yes, I formulated myself incorrectly. I know Paradise Lost and The Gathering were earlier. Actually, I haven't heard early The Gathering, so I couldn't say how they sound, but I have heard Paradise Lost's Gothic album, and I wouldn't call it beauty and the beast in the vain of Theatre of Tragedy. According to wikipedia "Paradise Lost and The Gathering had already made use of [the beauy and the beast] technique on some songs from their earlier albums but it was the Norwegian Theatre of Tragedy that first released an entire album devoted to this approach with their self-titled debut in 1995.".

The Gathering was definitely one of the candidates for the list. I'm not sure how many bands have mentioned them as an influence; probably a couple, since they were one of the originators of its genre; but I really had no idea they even could have been influential for Paradise Lost. I have only heard Paradise Lost talking about Celtic Frost as an influence. I haven't found what Theatre of Tragedy mentions as their main influence, but probably they were influenced by both Paradise Lost and The Gathering. Neither I'm not sure of how much later beauty and the beast bands were influenced by The Gathering or most by Theatre of Tragedy.

This list really gets harder the longer I make it, but as long as noone has any more objections, except from my formulation, I will keep Theatre of Tragedy over The Gathering until further.

Written by Aristarchos on 22.08.2012 at 12:50


Perhaps early Napalm Death deserves to be accepted as metal, and therefore also included in the list. It was a while ago I listened to them so I actually don't remember exactly how metallic they were, but I have heard them talking more of hardcore influences than metal influences. I'm not personally a fan of the whole grindcore genre. The only band I really enjoy in it is Terrorizer.

By early Napalm Death I assume you are talking about the Scum / From Enslavement to obliteration era (their first two albums) They are Definitely Hardcore Influenced but More than Metal enough to get on this list, Even some of their later demo's could get on this list. I see what you are trying to say though, As Grind is in that Grey area between Metal and Punk, I just don't agree with it.

Written by @gent_-_orange on 22.08.2012 at 16:39

Written by Aristarchos on 22.08.2012 at 12:50


Perhaps early Napalm Death deserves to be accepted as metal, and therefore also included in the list. It was a while ago I listened to them so I actually don't remember exactly how metallic they were, but I have heard them talking more of hardcore influences than metal influences. I'm not personally a fan of the whole grindcore genre. The only band I really enjoy in it is Terrorizer.

By early Napalm Death I assume you are talking about the Scum / From Enslavement to obliteration era (their first two albums) They are Definitely Hardcore Influenced but More than Metal enough to get on this list, Even some of their later demo's could get on this list. I see what you are trying to say though, As Grind is in that Grey area between Metal and Punk, I just don't agree with it.

Yes, I'm talking about their first two albums. I don't know how influential their later albums have been. But you win, I will add them. I decided to give them number 19, I hope that is appropriate. Since grindcore (or any hardcore/metal hybrid genre) isn't my genre, I'm not sure if any of the other early grindcore bands deserve to be on the list as well.

I have now expanded the list into a top 80. Since I think I've already brought most of the classic influential bands, I now focused on more modern bands (last 20 years). But if you still think some band is missing, there is always possibilites for further expansions.

If you are going to discuss Alternative Metal, Jane's Addiction is probably more influential than FNM. while FNM was more popular, Jane's Addiction was also very popular back in the day. Their approach included artsy elements, but particularly on "Nothing's Shocking" (which came out in 1988, pre-dating FNM's rise to more mainstream prominence with "The Real Thing") and the first half of "Ritual..." is far more inline with traditional metal, especially in regards to guitar solos.

and while FNM got more radio play, that whole Lollapalooza thing, which for the first 4-5 years was hugely important for promoting alternative music, which incorporated a lot of various styles (including metal), was originally created by Perry Farrel as the Jane's Addiction farewell tour.

if FNM deserves a Top 10 spot in regards to influence, Jane's merits inclusion in the top 80...

Written by BitterCOld on 24.08.2012 at 20:18

If you are going to discuss Alternative Metal, Jane's Addiction is probably more influential than FNM. while FNM was more popular, Jane's Addiction was also very popular back in the day. Their approach included artsy elements, but particularly on "Nothing's Shocking" (which came out in 1988, pre-dating FNM's rise to more mainstream prominence with "The Real Thing") and the first half of "Ritual..." is far more inline with traditional metal, especially in regards to guitar solos.

and while FNM got more radio play, that whole Lollapalooza thing, which for the first 4-5 years was hugely important for promoting alternative music, which incorporated a lot of various styles (including metal), was originally created by Perry Farrel as the Jane's Addiction farewell tour.

if FNM deserves a Top 10 spot in regards to influence, Jane's merits inclusion in the top 80...

Thanks for your comment!

First of all I must say that I'm not a big fan of alternative metal overall, and I'm not sure of how influential different bands have been.

I see a lot bands mention FNM as an influence; for example I have seen KoRn mentioned them as their main influences. I know KoRn have mentioned Jane's too as an influence (as well as they have mentioned a lot other bands). I have also heard Rage Against The Machine talking about Jane's Addiction as a big influence, but I think they were influenced by FNM too.

The big question I want to ask is whether Jane's Addiction really could be accepted as metal. If they really are, then why aren't they featured on metalstorm? I'm not sure if FNM really is fully accepted as metal either and I hesitated a lot before I included them. But FNM is at least tagged as alternative metal on this site, and even featured on metalarchives.com, something that not many alternative metal bands are.

Perhaps I have overrated the influence of FNM, but I have seen them mentioned as the inventor of the entire alternative metal genre (for example on wikipedia; I know it's not a reliable source)? Perhaps the best thing to do is to exclude both FNM and Jane's on the list?

I have now expanded the list to a top 100.

By the way, why isn't Graveland featured on MS? I suppose it is because their nazis, but then why is Burzum featured? I hate nazis so I respect the exclusion, I just wonder what is the difference.

Written by Aristarchos on 17.09.2012 at 09:24

By the way, why isn't Graveland featured on MS? I suppose it is because their nazis, but then why is Burzum featured? I hate nazis so I respect the exclusion, I just wonder what is the difference.

I thought the same thing, both bands are very similar in that aspects. Both musicians have ideologies that can be linked to far-right, though they don't express themselves as NS (Darken even said NS isn't the way to go nowadays, that other forms should take it's place).

And most importantly, both bands make a clear distinction between the person behind the project and the band itself (clearly stating they don't want their ideologies to be mixed to the band).

Main diference probably is that Burzum has a more mystic/legends/darkness theme, while Graveland is very focused on honor, pride and homeland, which makes some people think it's automatically NS (I don't have Graveland booklets near me, but I think there weren't any strict NS reference...).

But I understand MS opinion, they want no risk.

Savatage is band who probably have very much influences in creating of gothic/symphonic metal from their Gutter Ballet to their last album Poets And Madmen.

Written by nicaZe on 19.09.2012 at 00:05

Savatage is band who probably have very much influences in creating of gothic/symphonic metal from their Gutter Ballet to their last album Poets And Madmen.

I already have Savatage on number 47. Don't you think that is enough for them?

How about bands that influenced Crossover like Suicidal Tendencies, S.O.D., D.R.I.?

Written by [user id=101272] on 27.09.2012 at 05:59

How about bands that influenced Crossover like Suicidal Tendencies, S.O.D., D.R.I.?

Actually I had that genre in mind, but since that is one genre I don't listen to I excluded them for two reasons.

1. Since I don't listen to them I'm not sure how metal that genre is, or if it is more hardcore, but I guess it's metal enough to include, but that wasn't my main reason to exclude these bands.
2. My main reason for excluding these bands: Since I don't listen to that genre I don't know what bands who have been most influential for that genre, and deserves to be included.

So, if you first convince me that it is metal enough for this list, and then teach me a little more about the history of crossover thrash I will include at least one of them.

If someone else know more about crossover thrash or have any useful link I would appreciate it.