Top 100 (+5) Of 2000-2004

Top 100 (+5) Of 2000-2004

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Crys1s
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September 26, 2019
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2005-2009 list: http://www.metalstorm.net/users/list.php?list_id=5838
2010-2014 list: http://www.metalstorm.net/users/list.php?list_id=5828
2015-2019 list: http://www.metalstorm.net/users/list.php?list_id=6722

I sure do love this site and it's rating system, it makes finding great music so easy and, even more importantly, when an album is overlooked for a while but starts getting a buzz a few months later, boom, there it appears in the top 20.

All that being said, I still wish there was some way to get a weighted ranking that not only takes the rating of the album into account, but also the number of votes that were cast. For example, an album with a rating of 8.8 and 1000 votes would rank higher than an album with a rating of 8.9 and 20 votes. So, I scraped all the albums on the site with at least 1 vote into a database. Then, taking a leaf out of IMDb's book, I used Bayesian estimation (like the IMDb's Top 250) to calculate a weighted rating for each album based on its Metal Storm rating and the number of votes it had received.

The formula for calculating the Top 100 Albums gives a true Bayesian estimate:
Bayes rating (BR) = ( C × m + R × N ) ÷ ( m + N ) where:
C = average expected rating given...
m = minimum number of votes
R = average rating for the album = (Metal Storm rating)
N = number of votes for the album = (votes)

The way the Bayesian estimator works is that all albums in the database are given and additional m fake votes with an average rating of C, irrespective of how many true votes it already has. Then a new weighted rating is calculated...
If the album has no true votes ( N = 0 ), then BR = ( C × m + R × 0 ) ÷ ( m + 0) = C × m ÷ m = C (the average expected rating).
If the album has a number of true votes equal to the minimum ( N = m ), then BR = ( C × m + R × m ) ÷ ( m + m ) = ( C + R ) × m ÷ 2m = ( C + R ) ÷ 2 (halfway between the two ratings).
If the album has a very large number of true votes ( N >> m ), then BR = ( C × m + R × N ) ÷ ( m + N ) ≈ R × N ÷ N = R (the Metal Storm rating).
This means that the Bayes rating will never equal the Metal Storm rating but will approach it as the true votes grow arbitrarily large.

Now that the maths bit is out of the way, here was my methodology:
Only Studio and EP album types, from the years 2000 to 2004, with at least 1 vote, were included.
The average expected rating (C) was determined by averaging all the Metal Storm ratings from 2000-2004.
The minimum number of votes (m) was determined by calculating the 75th percentile of the votes, rounded to the nearest 10.
I also decided that if an album's Bayes rating was within 0.005 of #100, it would be included too; hence the +5.

C for 2000-2004 = 7.599
m = 30

Number of albums from each year in the list:
2000 - 15
2001 - 27
2002 - 14
2003 - 20
2004 - 29

Ratings are accurate as of 30/10/2023
105.
1.
Opeth - Blackwater Park
MS rating:9.259; Votes:3184; Bayes rating:9.244
105.
2.
Agalloch - The Mantle
MS rating:9.169; Votes:1718; Bayes rating:9.142
105.
3.
Tool - Lateralus
MS rating:9.048; Votes:1427; Bayes rating:9.019
105.
4.
Wintersun - Wintersun
MS rating:9.024; Votes:1763; Bayes rating:9.000
105.
5.
Ensiferum - Ensiferum
MS rating:8.969; Votes:1291; Bayes rating:8.938
105.
6.
Ayreon - The Human Equation
MS rating:8.932; Votes:948; Bayes rating:8.892
105.
7.
Moonsorrow - Kivenkantaja
MS rating:8.942; Votes:728; Bayes rating:8.889
105.
8.
Nevermore - Dead Heart In A Dead World
MS rating:8.912; Votes:1025; Bayes rating:8.875
105.
9.
Porcupine Tree - In Absentia
MS rating:8.895; Votes:868; Bayes rating:8.852
105.
10.
Moonsorrow - Voimasta Ja Kunniasta
MS rating:8.907; Votes:644; Bayes rating:8.849
105.
11.
Pain Of Salvation - Remedy Lane
MS rating:8.901; Votes:597; Bayes rating:8.839
105.
12.
Orphaned Land - Mabool: The Story Of The Three Sons Of Seven
MS rating:8.877; Votes:759; Bayes rating:8.829
105.
13.
Green Carnation - Light Of Day, Day Of Darkness
MS rating:8.890; Votes:536; Bayes rating:8.821
105.
14.
Ensiferum - Iron
MS rating:8.835; Votes:1129; Bayes rating:8.803
105.
15.
Dark Tranquillity - Damage Done
MS rating:8.835; Votes:1139; Bayes rating:8.803
105.
16.
Pain Of Salvation - The Perfect Element, Part I
MS rating:8.868; Votes:521; Bayes rating:8.798
105.
17.
Windir - 1184
MS rating:8.851; Votes:556; Bayes rating:8.787
105.
18.
Riverside - Out Of Myself
MS rating:8.839; Votes:515; Bayes rating:8.771
105.
19.
Rammstein - Mutter
MS rating:8.782; Votes:1036; Bayes rating:8.749
105.
20.
Arcturus - The Sham Mirrors
MS rating:8.793; Votes:707; Bayes rating:8.745
105.
21.
Haggard - Eppur Si Muove
MS rating:8.790; Votes:568; Bayes rating:8.731
105.
22.
Lost Horizon - A Flame To The Ground Beneath
MS rating:8.821; Votes:369; Bayes rating:8.729
105.
23.
Forest Of Shadows - Where Dreams Turn To Dust
MS rating:9.059; Votes:102; Bayes rating:8.727
105.
24.
Edge Of Sanity - Crimson II
MS rating:8.793; Votes:512; Bayes rating:8.727
105.
25.
My Dying Bride - The Dreadful Hours
MS rating:8.765; Votes:570; Bayes rating:8.707
105.
26.
Summoning - Let Mortal Heroes Sing Your Fame
MS rating:8.783; Votes:433; Bayes rating:8.706
105.
27.
The Mars Volta - De-Loused In The Comatorium
MS rating:8.879; Votes:190; Bayes rating:8.704
105.
28.
Isis - Panopticon
MS rating:8.772; Votes:443; Bayes rating:8.698
105.
29.
Immortal - Sons Of Northern Darkness
MS rating:8.727; Votes:1005; Bayes rating:8.695
105.
30.
Symphony X - The Odyssey
MS rating:8.732; Votes:863; Bayes rating:8.694
105.
31.
Saturnus - Martyre
MS rating:8.780; Votes:372; Bayes rating:8.691
105.
32.
Kamelot - Epica
MS rating:8.727; Votes:929; Bayes rating:8.691
105.
33.
Opeth - Deliverance
MS rating:8.700; Votes:1886; Bayes rating:8.683
105.
34.
Swallow The Sun - The Morning Never Came
MS rating:8.733; Votes:655; Bayes rating:8.683
105.
35.
Mastodon - Leviathan
MS rating:8.700; Votes:1006; Bayes rating:8.668
105.
36.
Slumber - Fallout
MS rating:8.758; Votes:343; Bayes rating:8.665
105.
37.
Opeth - Damnation
MS rating:8.667; Votes:2010; Bayes rating:8.651
105.
38.
Avantasia - The Metal Opera Part I
MS rating:8.688; Votes:789; Bayes rating:8.648
105.
39.
Iron Maiden - Brave New World
MS rating:8.659; Votes:2013; Bayes rating:8.643
105.
40.
Sonata Arctica - Silence
MS rating:8.679; Votes:801; Bayes rating:8.640
105.
41.
Angra - Temple Of Shadows
MS rating:8.686; Votes:669; Bayes rating:8.639
105.
42.
Children Of Bodom - Follow The Reaper
MS rating:8.660; Votes:1512; Bayes rating:8.639
105.
43.
Symphony X - V: The New Mythology Suite
MS rating:8.682; Votes:724; Bayes rating:8.639
105.
44.
Necrophagist - Epitaph
MS rating:8.691; Votes:530; Bayes rating:8.632
105.
45.
Bloodbath - Nightmares Made Flesh
MS rating:8.671; Votes:732; Bayes rating:8.629
105.
46.
Rhapsody - Dawn Of Victory
MS rating:8.670; Votes:625; Bayes rating:8.621
105.
47.
Eternal Tears Of Sorrow - A Virgin And A Whore
MS rating:8.680; Votes:516; Bayes rating:8.621
105.
48.
Exodus - Tempo Of The Damned
MS rating:8.667; Votes:643; Bayes rating:8.620
105.
49.
System Of A Down - Toxicity
MS rating:8.648; Votes:1079; Bayes rating:8.619
105.
50.
Therion - Lemuria
MS rating:8.655; Votes:679; Bayes rating:8.611
105.
51.
Isis - Oceanic
MS rating:8.683; Votes:382; Bayes rating:8.604
105.
52.
Kamelot - Karma
MS rating:8.642; Votes:749; Bayes rating:8.602
105.
53.
Draconian - Where Lovers Mourn
MS rating:8.658; Votes:527; Bayes rating:8.601
105.
54.
Immolation - Close To A World Below
MS rating:8.694; Votes:310; Bayes rating:8.597
105.
55.
Sentenced - The Cold White Light
MS rating:8.655; Votes:490; Bayes rating:8.594
105.
56.
Drudkh - Autumn Aurora
MS rating:8.677; Votes:334; Bayes rating:8.588
105.
57.
Nile - In Their Darkened Shrines
MS rating:8.629; Votes:582; Bayes rating:8.578
105.
58.
Motörhead - Inferno
MS rating:8.641; Votes:468; Bayes rating:8.578
105.
59.
Enslaved - Isa
MS rating:8.625; Votes:581; Bayes rating:8.574
105.
60.
Disillusion - Back To Times Of Splendor
MS rating:8.660; Votes:329; Bayes rating:8.571
105.
61.
Therion - Secret Of The Runes
MS rating:8.618; Votes:584; Bayes rating:8.568
105.
62.
Haggard - Awaking The Centuries
MS rating:8.639; Votes:402; Bayes rating:8.567
105.
63.
Lost Horizon - Awakening The World
MS rating:8.660; Votes:306; Bayes rating:8.565
105.
64.
Quo Vadis - Defiant Imagination
MS rating:8.680; Votes:253; Bayes rating:8.565
105.
65.
Septicflesh - Sumerian Daemons
MS rating:8.619; Votes:540; Bayes rating:8.565
105.
66.
Nightwish - Once
MS rating:8.585; Votes:1395; Bayes rating:8.564
105.
67.
Windir - Likferd
MS rating:8.648; Votes:341; Bayes rating:8.563
105.
68.
Katatonia - Viva Emptiness
MS rating:8.588; Votes:884; Bayes rating:8.556
105.
69.
Quo Vadis - Day Into Night
MS rating:8.694; Votes:206; Bayes rating:8.555
105.
70.
Falconer - Falconer
MS rating:8.648; Votes:293; Bayes rating:8.551
105.
71.
Lamb Of God - Ashes Of The Wake
MS rating:8.583; Votes:842; Bayes rating:8.549
105.
72.
Dream Theater - Train Of Thought
MS rating:8.570; Votes:1305; Bayes rating:8.548
105.
73.
Falkenbach - Ok Nefna Tysvar Ty
MS rating:8.679; Votes:218; Bayes rating:8.548
105.
74.
Dimmu Borgir - Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia
MS rating:8.577; Votes:977; Bayes rating:8.548
105.
75.
Masterplan - Masterplan
MS rating:8.616; Votes:388; Bayes rating:8.543
105.
76.
Edguy - Mandrake
MS rating:8.600; Votes:485; Bayes rating:8.542
105.
77.
Sigh - Imaginary Sonicscape
MS rating:8.688; Votes:189; Bayes rating:8.539
105.
78.
Kalmah - Swampsong
MS rating:8.589; Votes:533; Bayes rating:8.536
105.
79.
Enslaved - Below The Lights
MS rating:8.593; Votes:494; Bayes rating:8.536
105.
80.
Therion - Sirius B
MS rating:8.575; Votes:619; Bayes rating:8.530
105.
81.
Edguy - Hellfire Club
MS rating:8.583; Votes:515; Bayes rating:8.528
105.
82.
Evergrey - In Search Of Truth
MS rating:8.593; Votes:391; Bayes rating:8.522
105.
83.
My Dying Bride - Songs Of Darkness, Words Of Light
MS rating:8.574; Votes:524; Bayes rating:8.522
105.
84.
Kalmah - Swamplord
MS rating:8.572; Votes:540; Bayes rating:8.521
105.
85.
Vital Remains - Dechristianize
MS rating:8.636; Votes:231; Bayes rating:8.517
105.
86.
Wuthering Heights - Far From The Madding Crowd
MS rating:8.700; Votes:150; Bayes rating:8.516
105.
87.
Nightwish - Wishmaster
MS rating:8.539; Votes:1220; Bayes rating:8.516
105.
88.
Evergrey - Recreation Day
MS rating:8.581; Votes:408; Bayes rating:8.514
105.
89.
Katatonia - Last Fair Deal Gone Down
MS rating:8.549; Votes:714; Bayes rating:8.511
105.
90.
Shape Of Despair - Angels Of Distress
MS rating:8.601; Votes:276; Bayes rating:8.503
105.
91.
Gamma Ray - No World Order
MS rating:8.553; Votes:528; Bayes rating:8.502
105.
92.
Meshuggah - I
MS rating:8.613; Votes:238; Bayes rating:8.500
105.
93.
Vader - Litany
MS rating:8.564; Votes:413; Bayes rating:8.499
105.
94.
Spiritual Beggars - Ad Astra
MS rating:8.691; Votes:137; Bayes rating:8.495
105.
95.
Nightwish - Century Child
MS rating:8.517; Votes:1180; Bayes rating:8.494
105.
96.
Kreator - Violent Revolution
MS rating:8.526; Votes:740; Bayes rating:8.490
105.
97.
Evergrey - The Inner Circle
MS rating:8.558; Votes:385; Bayes rating:8.489
105.
98.
Clutch - Blast Tyrant
MS rating:8.664; Votes:152; Bayes rating:8.489
105.
99.
Rhapsody - Power Of The Dragonflame
MS rating:8.538; Votes:520; Bayes rating:8.487
105.
100.
Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf
MS rating:8.555; Votes:384; Bayes rating:8.485
105.
101.
Behemoth - Demigod
MS rating:8.510; Votes:971; Bayes rating:8.482
105.
102.
Devin Townsend - Accelerated Evolution
MS rating:8.561; Votes:335; Bayes rating:8.482
105.
103.
Lykathea Aflame - Elvenefris
MS rating:8.624; Votes:186; Bayes rating:8.481
105.
104.
Sodom - M-16
MS rating:8.544; Votes:419; Bayes rating:8.481
105.
105.
Heavenly - Dust To Dust
MS rating:8.615; Votes:195; Bayes rating:8.480
Disclaimer: All top lists are unofficial and do not represent the point of view of the MS Staff.
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This is an interesting approach. You should merge all years into one distribution, make a Bayesian Top 200 of all time and compare the resulting ranks for each album with their actual ranks in the MS Top 200.
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Written by Redel on 09.02.2024 at 23:10

This is an interesting approach. You should merge all years into one distribution, make a Bayesian Top 200 of all time and compare the resulting ranks for each album with their actual ranks in the MS Top 200.

100% agree with this, I would be interested in seeing that!
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